Red Mosquito

harmless wrote:If you mean it sounds like 90s dated, well, if it did we'd probably all love it.

McParadigm wrote:

harmless wrote:If you mean it sounds like 90s dated, well, if it did we'd probably all love it.

McParadigm wrote:

harmless wrote:If you mean it sounds like 90s dated, well, if it did we'd probably all love it.

Mine wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

harmless wrote:If you mean it sounds like 90s dated, well, if it did we'd probably all love it.

Are you fucking kidding me? Most of the fanbase would sell their kidneys if Ed could hit those notes.

harmless wrote:

Mine wrote:

harmless wrote: I think they know perfectly well how to create and arrange songs in the old way, they've shown that skill for years. But they're not skilled at successful, catchy and popular songs that appeal to a wide audience anymore. I think they enlisted BoBs help in the belief that he could help them create that sound. They're all appealing to more pop influences these days which are no less Pearl Jam but they are less interesting. And then Bob has a hand in adapting those songs and rearranging them for mass consumption. He's a scapegoat because all he's doing is helping them achieve their aims.

What is the sound that appeals to a wide audience today? Seriously i can't think of anything that isn't electronic. I may be wrong but both LB and BS sound relatively dated in that regard. Not 80's dated but around 10-15 years ago dated.

There is no one sound is there? But honestly, a shiny, exact and polished, metallic sound with instant gratification but no character. That's contemporary. Does it sound like the 80s? Superficially I suppose, but there wasn't so much synthetic protools precision in those days. A song like Swallowed Whole could have been on an early REM album except that it has no roughness and imperfection in the recording. No character. So I'm not talking about a popular genre as much as a quality that renders these songs inoffensive to the general casual listener's ear.

harmless wrote:

Mine wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

harmless wrote:If you mean it sounds like 90s dated, well, if it did we'd probably all love it.

Are you fucking kidding me? Most of the fanbase would be willing to sell their kidneys for Ed to be able to hit those notes.

Dafuq did I just read?

Mine wrote:

harmless wrote:

Mine wrote:

harmless wrote: I think they know perfectly well how to create and arrange songs in the old way, they've shown that skill for years. But they're not skilled at successful, catchy and popular songs that appeal to a wide audience anymore. I think they enlisted BoBs help in the belief that he could help them create that sound. They're all appealing to more pop influences these days which are no less Pearl Jam but they are less interesting. And then Bob has a hand in adapting those songs and rearranging them for mass consumption. He's a scapegoat because all he's doing is helping them achieve their aims.

What is the sound that appeals to a wide audience today? Seriously i can't think of anything that isn't electronic. I may be wrong but both LB and BS sound relatively dated in that regard. Not 80's dated but around 10-15 years ago dated.

There is no one sound is there? But honestly, a shiny, exact and polished, metallic sound with instant gratification but no character. That's contemporary. Does it sound like the 80s? Superficially I suppose, but there wasn't so much synthetic protools precision in those days. A song like Swallowed Whole could have been on an early REM album except that it has no roughness and imperfection in the recording. No character. So I'm not talking about a popular genre as much as a quality that renders these songs inoffensive to the general casual listener's ear.

I wonder if they are actually too raw for what the general public is used to. I'm being serious btw. I mean the end result, whatever the intent was, is kind of dorky. Those toms in Sirens don't even make sense in this logic because of how overdone that trick is. Who falls for that any more?

harmless wrote:

Mine wrote:

harmless wrote:

Mine wrote:

harmless wrote: I think they know perfectly well how to create and arrange songs in the old way, they've shown that skill for years. But they're not skilled at successful, catchy and popular songs that appeal to a wide audience anymore. I think they enlisted BoBs help in the belief that he could help them create that sound. They're all appealing to more pop influences these days which are no less Pearl Jam but they are less interesting. And then Bob has a hand in adapting those songs and rearranging them for mass consumption. He's a scapegoat because all he's doing is helping them achieve their aims.

What is the sound that appeals to a wide audience today? Seriously i can't think of anything that isn't electronic. I may be wrong but both LB and BS sound relatively dated in that regard. Not 80's dated but around 10-15 years ago dated.

There is no one sound is there? But honestly, a shiny, exact and polished, metallic sound with instant gratification but no character. That's contemporary. Does it sound like the 80s? Superficially I suppose, but there wasn't so much synthetic protools precision in those days. A song like Swallowed Whole could have been on an early REM album except that it has no roughness and imperfection in the recording. No character. So I'm not talking about a popular genre as much as a quality that renders these songs inoffensive to the general casual listener's ear.

I wonder if they are actually too raw for what the general public is used to. I'm being serious btw. I mean the end result, whatever the intent was, is kind of dorky. Those toms in Sirens don't even make sense in this logic because of how overdone that trick is. Who falls for that any more?

Of course they're too raw to really do what Pearl Jam wants them to do. That's because they're Pearl Jam songs, and that's why their vision of 'popular', if left to their own devices, clashes so much with BoBs. The blam toms are a cliche because they've been a popular choice in pretty rock ballads for like 50 years, and BoB probably has an encyclopaedic knowledge of successful musical clichés.

Mine wrote:

harmless wrote:

Mine wrote:

harmless wrote:

Mine wrote:

harmless wrote: I think they know perfectly well how to create and arrange songs in the old way, they've shown that skill for years. But they're not skilled at successful, catchy and popular songs that appeal to a wide audience anymore. I think they enlisted BoBs help in the belief that he could help them create that sound. They're all appealing to more pop influences these days which are no less Pearl Jam but they are less interesting. And then Bob has a hand in adapting those songs and rearranging them for mass consumption. He's a scapegoat because all he's doing is helping them achieve their aims.

What is the sound that appeals to a wide audience today? Seriously i can't think of anything that isn't electronic. I may be wrong but both LB and BS sound relatively dated in that regard. Not 80's dated but around 10-15 years ago dated.

There is no one sound is there? But honestly, a shiny, exact and polished, metallic sound with instant gratification but no character. That's contemporary. Does it sound like the 80s? Superficially I suppose, but there wasn't so much synthetic protools precision in those days. A song like Swallowed Whole could have been on an early REM album except that it has no roughness and imperfection in the recording. No character. So I'm not talking about a popular genre as much as a quality that renders these songs inoffensive to the general casual listener's ear.

I wonder if they are actually too raw for what the general public is used to. I'm being serious btw. I mean the end result, whatever the intent was, is kind of dorky. Those toms in Sirens don't even make sense in this logic because of how overdone that trick is. Who falls for that any more?

Of course they're too raw to really do what Pearl Jam wants them to do. That's because they're Pearl Jam songs, and that's why their vision of 'popular', if left to their own devices, clashes so much with BoBs. The blam toms are a cliche because they've been a popular choice in pretty rock ballads for like 50 years, and BoB probably has an encyclopaedic knowledge of successful musical clichés.

I wonder if the next one will be heavy on the famous 80's snare sound.

Mine wrote:

stip wrote: I think eddie sounds tired and defeated and that is what often turns me off (in some places it works great).

Infallible and getaway are the only two songs on this album that feel 'high'. I think he sounds amazing on stuff like yellow moon and mind your manners and pendulum.

He does but i don't think if he sounded enthusiastic it would have worked for RA.

Strat wrote:I love Sirens.

Strat wrote:I love Sirens.

harmless wrote:Just in case anyone's in any doubt, I do love this song. But it was Tuesday so I had to be negative about something Pearl Jam-related.

harmless wrote:Just in case anyone's in any doubt, I do love this song. But it was Tuesday so I had to be negative about something Pearl Jam-related.