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Re: Election 2020

Posted: Fri February 21, 2020 12:16 am
by bart
Really bizarre take considering Warren’s performance

Re: Election 2020

Posted: Fri February 21, 2020 2:07 am
by 96583UP
Bernie and Warren both have the zest to fight back

I think Bernie is more consistent

I think Warren is more erratic

I think Trump can get her off her game (see: DNA test) and then it's game over for all of us

I don't think Trump can get Bernie off his game

Re: Election 2020

Posted: Fri February 21, 2020 2:29 am
by Strat
96583UP wrote:Bernie and Warren both have the zest to fight back

I think Bernie is more consistent

I think Warren is more erratic

I think Trump can get her off her game (see: DNA test) and then it's game over for all of us

I don't think Trump can get Bernie off his game
I agree with these sentiments. Bernie is so locked into his talking points that nothing can push him off his game and message. Its maddening, but i know how much it would benefit him up against the moron.

Re: Election 2020

Posted: Fri February 21, 2020 2:37 am
by 96583UP
superblood wolfmoon

Re: Election 2020

Posted: Fri February 21, 2020 2:37 am
by McParadigm

Re: Election 2020

Posted: Fri February 21, 2020 2:39 am
by 96583UP
McParadigm wrote:
we're gonna need bloomy's money to fight the russians

Re: Election 2020

Posted: Fri February 21, 2020 4:30 am
by bune
Image

lol

Re: Election 2020

Posted: Fri February 21, 2020 4:34 am
by BurtReynolds
:)

Re: Election 2020

Posted: Fri February 21, 2020 2:27 pm
by Bi_3
Hmmm....


https://dnyuz.com/2020/02/21/ocasio-cor ... democrats/


I hope the DNC understands what they invited in....

Re: Election 2020

Posted: Fri February 21, 2020 2:44 pm
by verb_to_trust
Bi_3 wrote:Hmmm....


https://dnyuz.com/2020/02/21/ocasio-cor ... democrats/


I hope the DNC understands what they invited in....
Bae was elected by her district

Re: Election 2020

Posted: Fri February 21, 2020 2:59 pm
by liebzz
verb_to_trust wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:Hmmm....


https://dnyuz.com/2020/02/21/ocasio-cor ... democrats/


I hope the DNC understands what they invited in....
Bae was elected by her district
She beat the incumbent the DNC invited in. She is her own electoral animal. I would be shocked if she doesn’t win again and handily.

Re: Election 2020

Posted: Fri February 21, 2020 3:46 pm
by McParadigm
The DNC has invited insurgency. In 1996, 24% of democrats identified as liberal and 53% as moderate. By 2018, 51% identified as liberal. The party changed in a way that risked the backing of the donor class, and the leadership responded by digging deeper trenches.

Part of a political party leadership circle’s job is to find ways to bring each internal group to the table. A party is just a coalition of semi-like-minded people who can get more of what each of them wants by working together and compromising. You can’t treat the majority group as essentially a problem for the rest of you to solve without eventually shattering your own power structure.

Re: Election 2020

Posted: Fri February 21, 2020 4:39 pm
by verb_to_trust
"You can’t treat the majority group as essentially a problem for the rest of you to solve without eventually shattering your own power structure."

You definitely don't shove Mike Bloomberg down their throats.

Re: Election 2020

Posted: Fri February 21, 2020 5:33 pm
by Bi_3
McParadigm wrote:The DNC has invited insurgency. In 1996, 24% of democrats identified as liberal and 53% as moderate. By 2018, 51% identified as liberal. The party changed in a way that risked the backing of the donor class, and the leadership responded by digging deeper trenches.

Part of a political party leadership circle’s job is to find ways to bring each internal group to the table. A party is just a coalition of semi-like-minded people who can get more of what each of them wants by working together and compromising. You can’t treat the majority group as essentially a problem for the rest of you to solve without eventually shattering your own power structure.
Agree, but I think there is a clear distinction between liberal (Pelosi) and progressive (the squad), so whatever the 51% makeup is suspected be some of them need another category.

Re: Election 2020

Posted: Fri February 21, 2020 5:38 pm
by BurtReynolds
I can't keep up with the factions.

Re: Election 2020

Posted: Fri February 21, 2020 9:41 pm
by Rob
Bi_3 wrote:
McParadigm wrote:The DNC has invited insurgency. In 1996, 24% of democrats identified as liberal and 53% as moderate. By 2018, 51% identified as liberal. The party changed in a way that risked the backing of the donor class, and the leadership responded by digging deeper trenches.

Part of a political party leadership circle’s job is to find ways to bring each internal group to the table. A party is just a coalition of semi-like-minded people who can get more of what each of them wants by working together and compromising. You can’t treat the majority group as essentially a problem for the rest of you to solve without eventually shattering your own power structure.
Agree, but I think there is a clear distinction between liberal (Pelosi) and progressive (the squad), so whatever the 51% makeup is suspected be some of them need another category.
I do wonder sometimes how Pelosi feels about being pressured from the left. She was the left flank in the 90s/early 00s (within the party). But I think it just highlights the leftward trend MCP is talking about. Pelosi is older than even Bernie. Times have changed and I don't think the Dem Party has done a good job keeping up. (For the record I have a lot of respect for Pelosi).

People can hate on Bernie and "the squad" all they want, but as McP said, the party didn't respond properly to the trends, and now the younger half of the country is responding themselves. And they have good reason to be upset. No matter what happens in this election, the evidence is clear that Millennial's feel they've gotten a raw deal and are supporting this newer progressive wing. Age is as big a divide as any in this country, which is why I am hopeful for the future no matter what's happening now. I'm not a millennial myself, but it's a smart generation that will eventually take over and fix a lot of the issues we have. They'll create new problems, for sure. The cycle never ends. But at the very least I think the absurdity of drowning in debt because you got sick, or got an education, or had a kid... I think they understand that's wrong.

Re: Election 2020

Posted: Fri February 21, 2020 10:12 pm
by Bi_3

Re: Election 2020

Posted: Fri February 21, 2020 11:00 pm
by 96583UP
yeah I think Pete wanted to avoid bashing Bloomy bc his supporters have crossover (and he might want a job from him in the future) so he decided to go after a ‘weaker’ link

Re: Election 2020

Posted: Fri February 21, 2020 11:01 pm
by 96583UP
Bloomy releasing the NDAs!

Re: Election 2020

Posted: Sat February 22, 2020 1:49 am
by verb_to_trust
96583UP wrote:yeah I think Pete wanted to avoid bashing Bloomy bc his supporters have crossover (and he might want a job from him in the future) so he decided to go after a ‘weaker’ link
Caddie?