Red Mosquito

tree_ wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

spike wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:cant understand why the trump haters are so happy

this seems almost a publicity stunt for him

Just enjoy him being treated like the criminal he is for today. I’m sure this will all backfire.

yeah, but him being the first president to be in custody, you are kinda cementing his legacy as a martyr

a martyr for what cause?

Jorge wrote:This is just one of the many parallels between Trump and Cristina Fernández de Kirchner

VinylGuy wrote:

tree_ wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

spike wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:cant understand why the trump haters are so happy

this seems almost a publicity stunt for him

Just enjoy him being treated like the criminal he is for today. I’m sure this will all backfire.

yeah, but him being the first president to be in custody, you are kinda cementing his legacy as a martyr

a martyr for what cause?

i mean you chose! any cause.

Bi_3 wrote:Do we know the charges or is all just misdemeanor 'Business Fraud'?

Simply, if you delete, alter or make a false entry in the business records of an enterprise and you do so with the intent to defraud, you have run afoul of the misdemeanor crime. If when you do so, you also have the intent to further or conceal another criminal offense, then you have committed the felony crime.

McParadigm wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:Do we know the charges or is all just misdemeanor 'Business Fraud'?

I know shit about this subject, but I do have Google (and I’ve slept in a Holiday Inn)…so I’m basically an expert.

A New York firm that helps defend people against these specific charges describe it this way on their client-facing site…

Simply, if you delete, alter or make a false entry in the business records of an enterprise and you do so with the intent to defraud, you have run afoul of the misdemeanor crime. If when you do so, you also have the intent to further or conceal another criminal offense, then you have committed the felony crime.

So I guess my expectation is that the answer to your question is found in the headline “indicted on 34 felony counts.”

The degree to which that assumption on my part proves incorrect will, I suppose, be known soon enough.

In New York, falsifying business records can amount to a crime, albeit a misdemeanor. To elevate the crime to a felony charge, Mr. Bragg’s prosecutors must show that Mr. Trump’s “intent to defraud” included an intent to commit or conceal a second crime.

In this case, that second crime could be a violation of election law. While hush money is not inherently illegal, the prosecutors could argue that the $130,000 payout effectively became an improper donation to Mr. Trump’s campaign, under the theory that it benefited his candidacy because it silenced Ms. Daniels.

tragabigzanda wrote:

tree_ wrote:Don't we have actual lawyers on this board who could explain it to us like we're 5 years old? ChrisH_2?

he mostly deals in babysitter law

Coach wrote:The news reports indicate it's felony charges. Similar thing that Cohen pleaded guilty to.

doug rr wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

tree_ wrote:Don't we have actual lawyers on this board who could explain it to us like we're 5 years old? ChrisH_2?

he mostly deals in babysitter law

and cheats at golf like trump

Chris_H_2 wrote:it's not minor in the sense that he's virtually pardon-proof in new york.

Coach wrote:My overall take is that this is relatively minor, but if you do enough shady things in life over the course of 70+ years on this planet, shit's bound to catch up to you.