Red Mosquito

lake geneva's the most expensive place to stay within a 100 mile radius of there

Birds in Hell wrote:weird setlists and odd choices of special guests. The whole exercise came across as being quite haphazard and not well thought through.

thank god for that, actually

cutuphalfdead wrote:The PJ20 book was pretty good.

nah.

too thick.

There were other places that were just as expensive and booked forever there in Lake Geneva. However, the main thing here is that they barely half filled Alpine Valley, if that.

Toronto was a bit more expensive due to the film festival, but we were able to drive up there from Pittsburgh. The two shows at the Air Canada Centre were more worth while to go to than PJ20 at Alpine Valley. And had about the same number of people in attendance; Uncle Neil came out on stage night 1.

Point being - play a venue where more PJ fans are likely to attend the shows.

spike wrote:i was surprised the shows weren't in seattle myself, but it's known that the band hasn't been very enamored with the hometown crowds these days, and it's also known that alpine is a favorite of the band's. also, i think they realized that hotels in the area would be more reasonable than in a major city, and again, it's only a 1.5-2 hour drive from chicago/o'hare (one of the largest airports in the country). it made more sense than you realize.

Maybe if they played their hometown more than once every five years they'd have a larger fanbase there these days.

And honestly, I love Alpine Valley tons and I still thought it was total lunacy to make such a big deal about the PJ20 shows and then schedule them in the middle of nowhere in Wisconsin, regardless of the fact it's considered a Chicago venue. They then compounded their mistake by not even playing Seattle or the Gorge on that tour (and no, Vancouver does not count).

I think they'll do better this next year. At least, I hope they do.

matt reeder wrote: Maybe if they played their hometown more than once every five years they'd have a larger fanbase there these days.

and who, these days, doesn't want a larger fanbase there, these days?, anyway

Also, their 20th anniversary show was a year late.

Birds in Hell wrote:Also, their 20th anniversary show was a year late.

also

spike wrote:i was surprised the shows weren't in seattle myself, but it's known that the band hasn't been very enamored with the hometown crowds these days, and it's also known that alpine is a favorite of the band's. also, i think they realized that hotels in the area would be more reasonable than in a major city, and again, it's only a 1.5-2 hour drive from chicago/o'hare (one of the largest airports in the country). it made more sense than you realize.

Good points, spike, it makes more sense to me now. I am not bashing Wisconsin, but I agree with Spenno, the gorge would of made more sense. I went to montreal instead because I also felt PJ20 would be a disaster.

My biggest complaint was they should of just done an American Tour. Or not done a whole PJ20 hoopla. I hope they do make up for it this year. I would travel to Washington State in a heartbeat as I have never been there. How would the gorge compare to alpine valley in nicest venues? I heard the gorge is pretty much in the middle of nowhere though.

guys, every time you post in this thread and it isn't a tour update, I die a little.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:guys, every time you post in this thread and it isn't a tour update, I die a little.

every time i post in the beer thread and you don't answer me, i die a little.

darth_vedder wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:guys, every time you post in this thread and it isn't a tour update, I die a little.

every time i post in the beer thread and you don't answer me, i die a little.

wat? I missed it... hold on...

I hope they return to the DC area this tour. They did Charlottesville and Baltimore last one, but not DC. Those two locations are tinkering on my radius of going or not. They haven't played Merriweather Post Pavillon since 2000 (Corduroy TB2K), they should go back. It's a nice vibe out there.

lowlight79 wrote:

spike wrote:i was surprised the shows weren't in seattle myself, but it's known that the band hasn't been very enamored with the hometown crowds these days, and it's also known that alpine is a favorite of the band's. also, i think they realized that hotels in the area would be more reasonable than in a major city, and again, it's only a 1.5-2 hour drive from chicago/o'hare (one of the largest airports in the country). it made more sense than you realize.

Good points, spike, it makes more sense to me now. I am not bashing Wisconsin, but I agree with Spenno, the gorge would of made more sense. I went to montreal instead because I also felt PJ20 would be a disaster.

My biggest complaint was they should of just done an American Tour. Or not done a whole PJ20 hoopla. I hope they do make up for it this year. I would travel to Washington State in a heartbeat as I have never been there. How would the gorge compare to alpine valley in nicest venues? I heard the gorge is pretty much in the middle of nowhere though.

Gorge is super cool, and yes middle of nowhere. I've enjoyed it less as I've gotten older because camping there is really uncomfortable and annoying. But it's a bucket list thing for sure.

Bonnaroo being hotly tipped over on the official forum, Nashville show nixed.

Birds in Hell wrote:Bonnaroo being hotly tipped over on the official forum, Nashville show nixed.

when the tour wasn't announced when expected, it was rumored it was pushed back due to them doing Bonnaroo

Was there an NYC in early May rumor? A friend of mine who works for Spotify in Manhattan said he's heard of 5/1 and 5/2 shows at MSG.

Simple Torture wrote:Was there an NYC in early May rumor? A friend of mine who works for Spotify in Manhattan said he's heard of 5/1 and 5/2 shows at MSG.

That's what I've seen posted elsewhere too.

looking at Betterman in that link. Ed's aged like 20 years in the last 8.