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Re: Stephen King's The Dark Tower

Posted: Sun February 19, 2017 2:54 pm
by bada
tragabigzanda wrote:
bada wrote:I was thinking about reading IT next.
Have you never?
Never.

I've kinda jumped around his bibliography randomly without any sort of plan of attack.

'Salem's Lot
The Shining
The Stand
Night Shift
Dark Tower
Pet Sematary
Cycle of the Werewolf
The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon
Under the Dome
Doctor Sleep

Re: Stephen King's The Dark Tower

Posted: Sun February 19, 2017 7:22 pm
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Re: Stephen King's The Dark Tower

Posted: Sun February 19, 2017 7:31 pm
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Re: Stephen King's The Dark Tower

Posted: Sun February 19, 2017 8:55 pm
by epilogue
bada wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
bada wrote:I was thinking about reading IT next.
Have you never?
Never.

I've kinda jumped around his bibliography randomly without any sort of plan of attack.

'Salem's Lot
The Shining
The Stand
Night Shift
Dark Tower
Pet Sematary
Cycle of the Werewolf
The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon
Under the Dome
Doctor Sleep
IT is... not great. And the ending is... the worst.

Re: Stephen King's The Dark Tower

Posted: Sun February 19, 2017 8:58 pm
by epilogue
IT is easily one of my least favorite King books. The adult stuff is great (despite what everyone else says) though.

Re: Stephen King's The Dark Tower

Posted: Sun February 19, 2017 9:43 pm
by bada
I've been holding off reading it because of Joey. I don't want to bother reading 1100 pages if it sucks at the end. I'm torn.

Re: Stephen King's The Dark Tower

Posted: Sun February 19, 2017 10:31 pm
by epilogue
bada wrote:I've been holding off reading it because of Joey. I don't want to bother reading 1100 pages if it sucks at the end. I'm torn.
I don't mind rocky or bad endings if the journey is good. The problem I have with IT is that the journey isn't worth the terrible ending. There are great scenes in IT. But it's bloated and drunken and not as scary as it should be. King has written so many better books. Just watch the old TV mini-series. It's actually better than the book. You get the gist and you save yourself the truly uncomfortable (not in a good way) and absurd ending.

Bad endings are fine if they follow great journeys. Look elsewhere.

Re: Stephen King's The Dark Tower

Posted: Sun February 19, 2017 10:36 pm
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Re: Stephen King's The Dark Tower

Posted: Sun February 19, 2017 10:44 pm
by epilogue
There you go, bada. We've each stated our case. I guess you'll have to just decide for yourself. If you read it, I hope you enjoy it. It's not a terrible reading experience. There are great scenes. But I found it lacking and uninspired at the end of the day. If you haven't read 'Salem's Lot or The Stand or Lisey's Story or 11/22/63 or The Dark Tower series or Four Past Midnight or Different Seasons or The Shining or Dolores Claiborne or even Under the Dome, then I'd say get through all of those first. They are far, far more rewarding and interesting.

But plenty of people really like IT and think it's one of his best. This may be one you can't take on faith and have to experience for yourself to see where you stand.

Re: Stephen King's The Dark Tower

Posted: Mon February 20, 2017 1:44 am
by wease
Different Seasons is still far and away my favorite King book.

Confession: the only things I've read even remotely recently by him other than the last Dark Tower books are The Colorado Kid and Under the Dome.

Re: Stephen King's The Dark Tower

Posted: Mon February 20, 2017 2:55 am
by bada
durdencommatyler wrote:There you go, bada. We've each stated our case. I guess you'll have to just decide for yourself. If you read it, I hope you enjoy it. It's not a terrible reading experience. There are great scenes. But I found it lacking and uninspired at the end of the day. If you haven't read 'Salem's Lot or The Stand or Lisey's Story or 11/22/63 or The Dark Tower series or Four Past Midnight or Different Seasons or The Shining or Dolores Claiborne or even Under the Dome, then I'd say get through all of those first. They are far, far more rewarding and interesting.

But plenty of people really like IT and think it's one of his best. This may be one you can't take on faith and have to experience for yourself to see where you stand.

I'm no closer to making a decision. :D

Re: Stephen King's The Dark Tower

Posted: Mon February 20, 2017 3:05 am
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Re: Stephen King's The Dark Tower

Posted: Tue February 21, 2017 7:40 am
by surfndestroy
bada wrote:I'm no closer to making a decision. :D
Late to the party but I think that It is King's masterpiece in the same way Exile is the Stones. A sprawling, Beautiful mess. After IT , I'd go with Salem's Lot, The Stand and The Shining.

I think you can't go wrong with anything from the last nearly ten years. Consistently good stuff but with a much stronger supernatural bent to it than is earlier horror writing.

Re: Stephen King's The Dark Tower

Posted: Tue February 21, 2017 3:43 pm
by epilogue
I don't think King as yet to (nor will he probably ever) top 'Salem's Lot. That's a goddamn fantastic book. Like, maybe one of my all time favorites in any genre.

Re: Stephen King's The Dark Tower

Posted: Tue February 21, 2017 3:46 pm
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Re: Stephen King's The Dark Tower

Posted: Tue February 21, 2017 3:47 pm
by epilogue
tragabigzanda wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:I don't think King as yet to (nor will he probably ever) top 'Salem's Lot. That's a goddamn fantastic book. Like, maybe one of my all time favorites in any genre.
Agreed. There's an elemental quality to it. If it were the only book he ever wrote, he would still sit comfortably in the same discussions as a Lovecraft, Poe, etc.
Absolutely. Well said.

Re: Stephen King's The Dark Tower

Posted: Tue February 21, 2017 5:45 pm
by wease
durdencommatyler wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:I don't think King as yet to (nor will he probably ever) top 'Salem's Lot. That's a goddamn fantastic book. Like, maybe one of my all time favorites in any genre.
Agreed. There's an elemental quality to it. If it were the only book he ever wrote, he would still sit comfortably in the same discussions as a Lovecraft, Poe, etc.
Absolutely. Well said.
The only book to absolutely scare the shit out of me.

Re: Stephen King's The Dark Tower

Posted: Tue February 21, 2017 6:22 pm
by epilogue
wease wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:I don't think King as yet to (nor will he probably ever) top 'Salem's Lot. That's a goddamn fantastic book. Like, maybe one of my all time favorites in any genre.
Agreed. There's an elemental quality to it. If it were the only book he ever wrote, he would still sit comfortably in the same discussions as a Lovecraft, Poe, etc.
Absolutely. Well said.
The only book to absolutely scare the shit out of me.
Like LEGIT scare the shit out of me.

Re: Stephen King's The Dark Tower

Posted: Tue February 21, 2017 6:23 pm
by bune
The Mr. Mercedes trilogy is a wild ride. I liked the first one a lot (amazing characters, but then he's always been good at that). The second one was also enjoyable and I liked the way he changed the story up, keeping it grounded. And that's where the third one lost me. I loved how - not to use the word too much, but it fits - grounded the stories were and then he does that. It's not a bad story, it just fits oddly into the narrative.

Re: Stephen King's The Dark Tower

Posted: Tue February 21, 2017 6:27 pm
by epilogue
bune wrote:The Mr. Mercedes trilogy is a wild ride. I liked the first one a lot (amazing characters, but then he's always been good at that). The second one was also enjoyable and I liked the way he changed the story up, keeping it grounded. And that's where the third one lost me. I loved how - not to use the word too much, but it fits - grounded the stories were and then he does that. It's not a bad story, it just fits oddly into the narrative.
The third one was my least favorite of the trilogy. But I had no problem with how it progressed and changed and... shifted. I actually thought that was really cool and fairly ballsy. It worked for me.

Finders Keepers was probably my favorite of the three.