Red Mosquito

Helping indie stores is good. We agree on that.

so what part of this is an obnoxious money grab?

It's just another thing that fans will spend insane amounts on. Just another thing you don't have if you're a Pearl Jam completist. It's also not unique in happening, look at all the promotion coming out of PearlJam.com for years.

so let them spend their money or collect if they want to? all these things are niche inessential products that make those collectors happy. there is more net joy in the world because this shit exists

stip wrote:pretty much the entire point this seems to be to help indie stores.

Yeah. THAT’s why they’re doing it.

do you truly think this stupid thing is going to make them a fortune? Or that some artistic principle was compromised here?

stip wrote:so let them spend their money or collect if they want to? all these things are niche inessential products that make those collectors happy. there is more net joy in the world because this shit exists

There are also exclusives on PearlJam.com:

https://shop.pearljam.com/products/pear ... 6213067966

https://shop.pearljam.com/products/pear ... nyl-single

stip wrote:there is more net joy in the world because this shit exists

there's also more waste.

I like the idea of tying together the promotion of a prominent band's new album and smaller businesses. Seems like it's wins all around and a kind of noblesse oblige if you will.

stip wrote:so let them spend their money or collect if they want to? all these things are niche inessential products that make those collectors happy. there is more net joy in the world because this shit exists

This is like the Pokemon “gotta catch em all” strategy where, of course, they make so fucking many different ones that you can never catch them all.

More net joy or more net anxiety? It becomes more chore than fun.

Anders wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

stip wrote:it doesnt seem like something that should require attack or defense.

it's a really weird thing to mount an attack on capitalism around

Don't think anyone is defending or attacking capitalism.

so what's the point?

Ms Harmless wrote:

Anders wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

stip wrote:it doesnt seem like something that should require attack or defense.

it's a really weird thing to mount an attack on capitalism around

Don't think anyone is defending or attacking capitalism.

so what's the point?

I think we've covered that.

Anders wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Anders wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

stip wrote:it doesnt seem like something that should require attack or defense.

it's a really weird thing to mount an attack on capitalism around

Don't think anyone is defending or attacking capitalism.

so what's the point?

I think we've covered that.

OK

dad wrote:

stip wrote:there is more net joy in the world because this shit exists

there's also more waste.

Then lets just do away with vinyl and cds entirely and stream the music.

Not a lot of money in that.

stip wrote:

dad wrote:

stip wrote:there is more net joy in the world because this shit exists

there's also more waste.

Then lets just do away with vinyl and cds entirely and stream the music.

fwiw, I think one or two color variants are fine, neat even. but twelve?

c'mon. twelve is egregious.

Bammer wrote:

stip wrote:so let them spend their money or collect if they want to? all these things are niche inessential products that make those collectors happy. there is more net joy in the world because this shit exists

This is like the Pokemon “gotta catch em all” strategy where, of course, they make so fucking many different ones that you can never catch them all.

More net joy or more net anxiety? It becomes more chore than fun.

then stop collecting them - that's on you. The amount of anxiety this causes is me is less than zero. The same cannot be said of the discourse surrounding this.

Anders wrote:

stip wrote:so let them spend their money or collect if they want to? all these things are niche inessential products that make those collectors happy. there is more net joy in the world because this shit exists

There are also exclusives on PearlJam.com:

https://shop.pearljam.com/products/pear ... 6213067966

https://shop.pearljam.com/products/pear ... nyl-single

Sure, these are separate from the ones for record stores.


Again, rather than just performative outrage, there needs to be some signal or effort by the band to force people to buy a product.

If each of these records had a different remix of dark matter on them, and you could only hear them all by buying them all, that feels like a money grab. The music is the baseline 'service' that Pearl Jam provides, and this would be gating access. But there is ZERO need to purchase any or all of these variants unless you either

A: Enjoy collecting them
B: Find one vinyl design particularly attractive and you want to have that one
or
C: Are a lunatic who will be miserable if you don't have them all, and if that's the case you're certainly blowing your money on something else


Right now, the Dark Matter vinyls do incentivize purchase with a b-side instrumental remix. But I think it's the same on pretty much all the vinyls AND you can just download the song for .99 if it's important to you.

Anders wrote:Not a lot of money in that.

I am whatever the highest level of skepticism is that there is a lot of money in vinyl variants.


if pearl jam was primarily concerned about making more money they'd license more music, play more shows, and charge more for the shows they play

stip wrote:

Bammer wrote:

stip wrote:so let them spend their money or collect if they want to? all these things are niche inessential products that make those collectors happy. there is more net joy in the world because this shit exists

This is like the Pokemon “gotta catch em all” strategy where, of course, they make so fucking many different ones that you can never catch them all.

More net joy or more net anxiety? It becomes more chore than fun.

then stop collecting them - that's on you. The amount of anxiety this causes is me is less than zero. The same cannot be said of the discourse surrounding this.

Anders wrote:

stip wrote:so let them spend their money or collect if they want to? all these things are niche inessential products that make those collectors happy. there is more net joy in the world because this shit exists

There are also exclusives on PearlJam.com:

https://shop.pearljam.com/products/pear ... 6213067966

https://shop.pearljam.com/products/pear ... nyl-single

Sure, these are separate from the ones for record stores.


Again, rather than just performative outrage, there needs to be some signal or effort by the band to force people to buy a product.

If each of these records had a different remix of dark matter on them, and you could only hear them all by buying them all, that feels like a money grab. The music is the baseline 'service' that Pearl Jam provides, and this would be gating access. But there is ZERO need to purchase any or all of these variants unless you either

A: Enjoy collecting them
B: Find one vinyl design particularly attractive and you want to have that one
or
C: Are a lunatic who will be miserable if you don't have them all, and if that's the case you're certainly blowing your money on something else


Right now, the Dark Matter vinyls do incentivize purchase with a b-side instrumental remix. But I think it's the same on pretty much all the vinyls AND you can just download the song for .99 if it's important to you.

C