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Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Sun January 31, 2021 6:11 pm
by Bi_3
elliseamos wrote:Bi_3 wrote:Probably just me but I see a difference between: “I couldn’t get my vaccine because protestors blocked traffic” and “I couldnt deliver the pizzas because protestors blocked traffic”.
But both are harmful, selfish actions and that’s my point.
I don't see protest as selfish, unless you're forcing others to agree with you.
Let's not move the goal posts too far...
If this is true:
elliseamos wrote:- a march down a highway in support of all people being treated equally is demonstrating (purposefully indirectly) to demand a forum/conversation.
Then blocking traffic
is forcing others to agree with you because the protestors are restricting the uninvolved bystanders agency and forcing them into engaging with that demand without their prior consent.
elliseamos wrote:
Anti-vaxxers are forcing others to not get vaxxed.
From their perspective they are stopping mass suicides, like from your perspective the people blocking traffic are fighting racial injustice. Both noble motives, both being done in context of actions where the perceived good outweighs the harm. The problem that arises is that our society reserves the power to deny a choice for the government alone. Governments exist to enforce the restriction of choice on their citizens. That is why they are there. Traffic blocking protestors, be they anti-vaxx or otherwise, don't get to assume that power because they claim an allegedly morally superior position.
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Sun January 31, 2021 6:27 pm
by elliseamos
I may not be able to explain it beyond this, and I don't feel like I'm moving any goalposts, but I see it this way:
You blocking the road to try to get people to acknowledge a problem is different than you blocking access to something I am choosing to do to myself.
I feel like your "government" talk is changing the subject.
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Sun January 31, 2021 6:39 pm
by verb_to_trust
Imagine thinking that blocking the road for any reason accomplishes anything at all.
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Sun January 31, 2021 6:46 pm
by washing machine
You could plant a lot of pretty flowers in the holes ellis is digging his heels into all over this convo.
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Sun January 31, 2021 6:49 pm
by elliseamos
verb_to_trust wrote:Imagine thinking that blocking the road for any reason accomplishes anything at all.
Where would anyone ever, in the history of mankind, get the slightest notion that this could... oh...
"The Selma to Montgomery marches were three protest marches, held in 1965, along the 54-mile (87 km) highway from Selma, Alabama, to the state capital of Montgomery. The marches were organized by nonviolent activists to demonstrate the desire of African-American citizens to exercise their constitutional right to vote, in defiance of segregationist repression; they were part of a broader voting rights movement underway in Selma and throughout the American South. By highlighting racial injustice, they contributed to passage that year of the Voting Rights Act, a landmark federal achievement of the civil rights movement."
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Sun January 31, 2021 7:00 pm
by BurtReynolds
No one in the history of mankind has ever had their mind changed in favor of morons preventing them from traveling or beating on their cars. It's literally never happened.
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Sun January 31, 2021 7:05 pm
by BurtReynolds
elliseamos wrote:I may not be able to explain it beyond this, and I don't feel like I'm moving any goalposts, but I see it this way:
You blocking the road to try to get people to acknowledge a problem is different than you blocking access to something I am choosing to do to myself.
I feel like your "government" talk is changing the subject.
Both are trying to get people to acknowledge what they see as a problem.
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Sun January 31, 2021 7:29 pm
by elliseamos
BurtReynolds wrote:elliseamos wrote:I may not be able to explain it beyond this, and I don't feel like I'm moving any goalposts, but I see it this way:
You blocking the road to try to get people to acknowledge a problem is different than you blocking access to something I am choosing to do to myself.
I feel like your "government" talk is changing the subject.
Both are trying to get people to acknowledge what they see as a problem.
One is and one is preventing people from getting a shot they've chosen to get.
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Sun January 31, 2021 7:37 pm
by BurtReynolds
You just don't get it.
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Sun January 31, 2021 7:52 pm
by elliseamos
I've considered this settled a while ago, Burt, when bi said "And you may say it doesn't restrict other's choice in the same way, and there is truth there..."
That's my only point. The original post was about normalizing this as a protest tactic and it's been around forever so that was dumb to begin with, but the two events are very different.
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon February 01, 2021 3:41 am
by simple schoolboy
Weird choice, when the Empire was clearly the good guys.
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Sat March 13, 2021 1:36 am
by Bi_3
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/rio ... g-removed/
Rioters Set Fire to Federal Courthouse in Portland One Day after Fencing Removed
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Sat March 13, 2021 3:07 am
by BurtReynolds
Yeah they been acting up again.
How is the Minneapolis insurrec...I mean...totally harmless autonomous zone going?
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Sat March 13, 2021 3:49 am
by 96583UP
on June 1, 2020, Mickey wrote wrote:I was this close to making a thread called "The Coming Insurrection" just now
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Sat March 13, 2021 11:40 am
by elliseamos
96583UP wrote:on June 1, 2020, Mickey wrote wrote:I was this close to making a thread called "The Coming Insurrection" just now
Knee Tunes should credit Mickey I guess.
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Fri April 02, 2021 5:18 pm
by Bi_3
elliseamos wrote:96583UP wrote:on June 1, 2020, Mickey wrote wrote:I was this close to making a thread called "The Coming Insurrection" just now
Knee Tunes should credit Mickey I guess.
This is getting close:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... ay/618408/
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Sun April 11, 2021 4:08 pm
by Bi_3
“You should be terrorized for the rest of your life. You should never be able to leave your house, if that is how you are going to use your position to govern," Henry said of Sinema. "The same thing sort of applies with the mayor and city manager of this city."
https://www.yahoo.com/now/protesters-le ... 40948.html
It never should have been allowed to go this far.
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Wed April 14, 2021 11:38 am
by Bi_3
Protest season is starting early this year. Must be climate change.
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Wed April 14, 2021 7:56 pm
by elliseamos
Bi_3 wrote:Protest season is starting early this year. Must be climate change.
Protest climate is unchanged.
Don't be foolish.
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Thu April 15, 2021 11:54 am
by Bi_3
elliseamos wrote:Bi_3 wrote:Protest season is starting early this year. Must be climate change.
Protest climate is unchanged.
Don't be foolish.
Teasers for S2 released online!
CNN fleeing scene after being attacked:
five felony charges, including arson and.... released without bail (racist justice system!!!!11!!):
Progressives listening to Black suffering: