Red Mosquito

Anders wrote: I will never stop bitching about Pearl Jam.

tragabigzanda wrote:Stip — I’ve already covered several times:

A) how these variant runs gum up the limited vinyl supply chain

B) How successful well-capitalized artists have adopted the practice of paying premiums to “cut in line” for these runs

C) how it’s established fact that other bands have had albums mastered and ready to go BEFORE Pearl Jam finished theirs, and yet PJ is releasing theirs earlier, most likely by virtue of B above (unless they had they AMAZING foresight to book pressing time for a targeted release date before the album was even done, which, come on)

If you’ve somehow missed my previous discussions of this that’s fine. If you’re purposefully ignoring this reality to defend your beloved PJ then you’re being intentionally obtuse, bordering on traggish.

This is SHITTY business practice, no two ways about it

bodysnatcher wrote:These are all going to be in bargain bins in a year

bodysnatcher wrote:These are all going to be in bargain bins in a year

Anders wrote:

bodysnatcher wrote:These are all going to be in bargain bins in a year

Very much doubt that.

bodysnatcher wrote:

Anders wrote:

bodysnatcher wrote:These are all going to be in bargain bins in a year

Very much doubt that.

They won’t be $60 + shipping that’s for sure. It’s way too much market saturation for what will probably be a pretty mediocre album.

Anders wrote:

stip wrote:

Anders wrote:There are 12 for the record stores, but there are at least 14 different ones, if not more.

all utterly inessential to general fandom and designed to appeal to a niche market that enjoys them. I mean I think one variant is too many, but I'm not a collector, and happily, like t-shirts and basketballs, all of this can be easily ignored by me IF THE BOARD WOULD STOP FUCKING BITCHING ABOUT THEM CONSTANTLY

(which is not just Anders. He's just the unfortunate soul who took it upon himself to respond to me)

I will never stop bitching about Pearl Jam.

tragabigzanda wrote:Stip — I’ve already covered several times:

A) how these variant runs gum up the limited vinyl supply chain

B) How successful well-capitalized artists have adopted the practice of paying premiums to “cut in line” for these runs

C) how it’s established fact that other bands have had albums mastered and ready to go BEFORE Pearl Jam finished theirs, and yet PJ is releasing theirs earlier, most likely by virtue of B above (unless they had they AMAZING foresight to book pressing time for a targeted release date before the album was even done, which, come on)

If you’ve somehow missed my previous discussions of this that’s fine. If you’re purposefully ignoring this reality to defend your beloved PJ then you’re being intentionally obtuse, bordering on traggish.

This is SHITTY business practice, no two ways about it

tragabigzanda wrote:

stip wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:Stip — I’ve already covered several times:

A) how these variant runs gum up the limited vinyl supply chain

B) How successful well-capitalized artists have adopted the practice of paying premiums to “cut in line” for these runs

C) how it’s established fact that other bands have had albums mastered and ready to go BEFORE Pearl Jam finished theirs, and yet PJ is releasing theirs earlier, most likely by virtue of B above (unless they had they AMAZING foresight to book pressing time for a targeted release date before the album was even done, which, come on)

If you’ve somehow missed my previous discussions of this that’s fine. If you’re purposefully ignoring this reality to defend your beloved PJ then you’re being intentionally obtuse, bordering on traggish.

This is SHITTY business practice, no two ways about it

This is definitely not something I have paid attention to before so if you or others have talked about it i either missed it or forgot about it. I'm guilty of a lot of things, but when I'm arguing for my beloved PJ (or anything) I tend to be pretty systematic and go point by point. The vinyl side of Pearl jam (and the industry in general) is of very little interest to me under normal circumstances.

This is a good argument against legacy pressings

Regarding C, though? Could be. This album has seemingly been in the can for a while, right? How far in advance do tour venues need to be booked. I don't think this was a 'rush to finish and get it out on time for the tour' scenario, based on what we know.

The backlog I keep hearing is 18 months - two years (I think on the shorter side of that now that we’re out of Covid). That doesn’t really jive with the dates the concerts seemed to get contracted and leaked.

What’s more likely here? That PJ paid an overage to have a product ready in time for their tour dates? Or that a band that can barely tie its own promotional shoes together had 18 months of foresight on their pressing needs, including single LP length and general art direction to coincide with the variant themes?

Monkey_Driven wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

stip wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:Stip — I’ve already covered several times:

A) how these variant runs gum up the limited vinyl supply chain

B) How successful well-capitalized artists have adopted the practice of paying premiums to “cut in line” for these runs

C) how it’s established fact that other bands have had albums mastered and ready to go BEFORE Pearl Jam finished theirs, and yet PJ is releasing theirs earlier, most likely by virtue of B above (unless they had they AMAZING foresight to book pressing time for a targeted release date before the album was even done, which, come on)

If you’ve somehow missed my previous discussions of this that’s fine. If you’re purposefully ignoring this reality to defend your beloved PJ then you’re being intentionally obtuse, bordering on traggish.

This is SHITTY business practice, no two ways about it

This is definitely not something I have paid attention to before so if you or others have talked about it i either missed it or forgot about it. I'm guilty of a lot of things, but when I'm arguing for my beloved PJ (or anything) I tend to be pretty systematic and go point by point. The vinyl side of Pearl jam (and the industry in general) is of very little interest to me under normal circumstances.

This is a good argument against legacy pressings

Regarding C, though? Could be. This album has seemingly been in the can for a while, right? How far in advance do tour venues need to be booked. I don't think this was a 'rush to finish and get it out on time for the tour' scenario, based on what we know.

The backlog I keep hearing is 18 months - two years (I think on the shorter side of that now that we’re out of Covid). That doesn’t really jive with the dates the concerts seemed to get contracted and leaked.

What’s more likely here? That PJ paid an overage to have a product ready in time for their tour dates? Or that a band that can barely tie its own promotional shoes together had 18 months of foresight on their pressing needs, including single LP length and general art direction to coincide with the variant themes?

How involved is the process to make individual variants? Does it add 10 percent the total time necessary to press the ordered amount? 20 percent?

How many more copies will the band sell beyond what they would sell with 1-2 versions? I know these questions don't have answers right now. I'm just curious.