Red Mosquito

cutuphalfdead wrote:

stip wrote:

theplatypus wrote:But once you add the lyrics they are a part of the song and should be taken seriously as such.

Yet you give Mike a pass because it's his adorable attempt.

oh, they're shit lyrics. I just care less because of the context.

stip wrote:

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stip wrote:

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stip wrote:
When you watch movies do you not listen to dialogue?

Nice try

you have all those visuals that can convey meaning, and the sound of the actors voice. If anything, the dialogue should be even less important because you have that visual element. If the presence of sound makes the meaning of words matter less, then the more senses we add the less important they should be

No

that's not a very impressive response. Perhaps if you set it to music it would matter less.

Your ridiculous comparison doesn't even deserve a serious response. It's that absurd.

LetMeSleep wrote:Guys it's not black and white. But usually if the music is good you can forgive bad lyrics. It's hardly ever the other way round.

that's usually true for me too, but bad lyrics will usually knock a song down several notches for me.

Exhibit A: No Way

I'm quitting the board, bye

cutuphalfdead wrote:

stip wrote:

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stip wrote:

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stip wrote:
When you watch movies do you not listen to dialogue?

Nice try

you have all those visuals that can convey meaning, and the sound of the actors voice. If anything, the dialogue should be even less important because you have that visual element. If the presence of sound makes the meaning of words matter less, then the more senses we add the less important they should be

No

that's not a very impressive response. Perhaps if you set it to music it would matter less.

Your ridiculous comparison doesn't even deserve a serious response. It's that absurd.

why?

stip wrote:

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stip wrote:

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stip wrote:
When you watch movies do you not listen to dialogue?

Nice try

you have all those visuals that can convey meaning, and the sound of the actors voice. If anything, the dialogue should be even less important because you have that visual element. If the presence of sound makes the meaning of words matter less, then the more senses we add the less important they should be

No

that's not a very impressive response. Perhaps if you set it to music it would matter less.

Whatever else happens in this thread, this is a pretty great post.

stip wrote:

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stip wrote:

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stip wrote:
When you watch movies do you not listen to dialogue?

Nice try

you have all those visuals that can convey meaning, and the sound of the actors voice. If anything, the dialogue should be even less important because you have that visual element. If the presence of sound makes the meaning of words matter less, then the more senses we add the less important they should be

No

that's not a very impressive response. Perhaps if you set it to music it would matter less.

I'll write up a guided tour of my response and hopefully have it up by the end of the week.

verb_to_trust wrote:Who do you guys think put more effort into Backspacer's lyrics? Ed writing them or Stip analyzing them? Hint:

Spoiler: show

Not Ed

Disagree dude. I'm sure that when Ed is working on his tracks it doesn't feel like homework and he puts in the required effort. The other guys material has to fire him up or it feels like homework. That's my take anyway.

There are some really good lyrics in Backspacer. The goal of the project was immediacy (to dumb it down). It was successful when viewed from that standpoint.

stip wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

stip wrote:

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stip wrote:

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stip wrote:
When you watch movies do you not listen to dialogue?

Nice try

you have all those visuals that can convey meaning, and the sound of the actors voice. If anything, the dialogue should be even less important because you have that visual element. If the presence of sound makes the meaning of words matter less, then the more senses we add the less important they should be

No

that's not a very impressive response. Perhaps if you set it to music it would matter less.

Your ridiculous comparison doesn't even deserve a serious response. It's that absurd.

why?

Now you're getting the hang of it, Stip.

theplatypus wrote:I'm quitting the board, bye

Just this thread Jorge. I'm sure it's happier elsewhere.

stip wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

stip wrote:

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stip wrote:

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stip wrote:
When you watch movies do you not listen to dialogue?

Nice try

you have all those visuals that can convey meaning, and the sound of the actors voice. If anything, the dialogue should be even less important because you have that visual element. If the presence of sound makes the meaning of words matter less, then the more senses we add the less important they should be

No

that's not a very impressive response. Perhaps if you set it to music it would matter less.

Your ridiculous comparison doesn't even deserve a serious response. It's that absurd.

why?

You really think stripping a song of lyrics, and stripping a movie of its dialogue is the same thing, has the same effect on the overall presentation? You really think that a movie, sans dialogue, can stand on its own the way a song can sans lyrics?

I don't know why we're arguing about this, or why stip's comparison was ridiculous, or why anyone cares either way. Basically, a 'song' has lyrics. A 'piece of music' or 'composition' does not, necessarily (e.g. classical / orchestral). If I go into a 'song' hearing lyrics, I'm going to consider them a crucial part of the music, and therefore criticise them if I don't like them. But if I don't, I won't.

Simples.

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stip wrote:

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stip wrote:

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stip wrote:
When you watch movies do you not listen to dialogue?

Nice try

you have all those visuals that can convey meaning, and the sound of the actors voice. If anything, the dialogue should be even less important because you have that visual element. If the presence of sound makes the meaning of words matter less, then the more senses we add the less important they should be

No

that's not a very impressive response. Perhaps if you set it to music it would matter less.

I'll write up a guided tour of my response and hopefully have it up by the end of the week.

don't do it all in one sitting. Give each letter it's own day.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

stip wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

stip wrote:

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stip wrote:

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stip wrote:
When you watch movies do you not listen to dialogue?

Nice try

you have all those visuals that can convey meaning, and the sound of the actors voice. If anything, the dialogue should be even less important because you have that visual element. If the presence of sound makes the meaning of words matter less, then the more senses we add the less important they should be

No

that's not a very impressive response. Perhaps if you set it to music it would matter less.

Your ridiculous comparison doesn't even deserve a serious response. It's that absurd.

why?

You really think stripping a song of lyrics, and stripping a movie of its dialogue is the same thing, has the same effect on the overall presentation? You really think that a movie, sans dialogue, can stand on its own the way a song can sans lyrics?

Is this CHUD vs. silent film?

harmless wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

stip wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

stip wrote:

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stip wrote:

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stip wrote:
When you watch movies do you not listen to dialogue?

Nice try

you have all those visuals that can convey meaning, and the sound of the actors voice. If anything, the dialogue should be even less important because you have that visual element. If the presence of sound makes the meaning of words matter less, then the more senses we add the less important they should be

No

that's not a very impressive response. Perhaps if you set it to music it would matter less.

Your ridiculous comparison doesn't even deserve a serious response. It's that absurd.

why?

You really think stripping a song of lyrics, and stripping a movie of its dialogue is the same thing, has the same effect on the overall presentation? You really think that a movie, sans dialogue, can stand on its own the way a song can sans lyrics?

Is this CHUD vs. silent film?

In silent film they have to put up shots of cards with words on them to help string scenes together.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

stip wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

stip wrote:

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stip wrote:

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stip wrote:
When you watch movies do you not listen to dialogue?

Nice try

you have all those visuals that can convey meaning, and the sound of the actors voice. If anything, the dialogue should be even less important because you have that visual element. If the presence of sound makes the meaning of words matter less, then the more senses we add the less important they should be

No

that's not a very impressive response. Perhaps if you set it to music it would matter less.

Your ridiculous comparison doesn't even deserve a serious response. It's that absurd.

why?

You really think stripping a song of lyrics, and stripping a movie of its dialogue is the same thing, has the same effect on the overall presentation? You really think that a movie, sans dialogue, can stand on its own the way a song can sans lyrics?

Yes

theplatypus wrote:I'm quitting the board, bye

really? what all have i missed other then the track list?

god damnit, fuck you all

cutuphalfdead wrote:

stip wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

stip wrote:

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stip wrote:

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stip wrote:
When you watch movies do you not listen to dialogue?

Nice try

you have all those visuals that can convey meaning, and the sound of the actors voice. If anything, the dialogue should be even less important because you have that visual element. If the presence of sound makes the meaning of words matter less, then the more senses we add the less important they should be

No

that's not a very impressive response. Perhaps if you set it to music it would matter less.

Your ridiculous comparison doesn't even deserve a serious response. It's that absurd.

why?

You really think stripping a song of lyrics, and stripping a movie of its dialogue is the same thing, has the same effect on the overall presentation? You really think that a movie, sans dialogue, can stand on its own the way a song can sans lyrics?

usually no, but I think it depends on the song and the movie. And my point is not that they are equally important, but that both ARE important, and I would like to know why this is such an absurd proposition in a movie and not in a song.

cutuphalfdead wrote:god damnit, fuck you all

FWIW, my "yes" was a cave man sort of approval, not an answer to the question you asked.