Red Mosquito

tragabigzanda wrote:I think what I'm coming to is I wouldn't otherwise go for the sort of music PJ makes anymore, and at this point my fandom is more a habit than a true love affair, so I approach the music with an extremely critical eye...

I'd be more forgiving of this absolutely shitty music they're turning out if the business practices behind it were highly ethical. But they're not. So absent any sort of ideological bent I can attach my heart too, all I'm left with is the music, and I mostly hate it.

This is midlife crisis music from a band with multiple vacation homes.

Leatherhead wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Leatherhead wrote:I'm glad this album is sounding like it does. I can't afford expensive listening equipment. Fuck all you rich fucks.

oh god I'm so glad you said this

$500 headphones goes against punk rock values anyway.

tragabigzanda wrote:

stip wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:I think what I'm coming to is I wouldn't otherwise go for the sort of music PJ makes anymore, and at this point my fandom is more a habit than a true love affair, so I approach the music with an extremely critical eye...

I'd be more forgiving of this absolutely shitty music they're turning out if the business practices behind it were highly ethical. But they're not. So absent any sort of ideological bent I can attach my heart too, all I'm left with is the music, and I mostly hate it.

This is midlife crisis music from a band with multiple vacation homes.

its also midlife crisis fandom for the vast majority of us, even if we all manifest it differently

Yes but we're not the ones making shitty music then paying artists in their own merch while turning around and selling $1700 tickets.

tragabigzanda wrote:I think what I'm coming to is I wouldn't otherwise go for the sort of music PJ makes anymore, and at this point my fandom is more a habit than a true love affair, so I approach the music with an extremely critical eye...

I'd be more forgiving of this absolutely shitty music they're turning out if the business practices behind it were highly ethical. But they're not. So absent any sort of ideological bent I can attach my heart too, all I'm left with is the music, and I mostly hate it.

This is midlife crisis music from a band with multiple vacation homes.

Birds in Hell wrote: I feel similarly but that’s probably heightened by the fact that I have little emotional connection to the band: sure, I liked them, but they were never my favorite band, not even close.

If it weren’t for this board, I doubt I would’ve listened to any Pearl Jam record made in the last 20 years.

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Leatherhead wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Leatherhead wrote:I'm glad this album is sounding like it does. I can't afford expensive listening equipment. Fuck all you rich fucks.

oh god I'm so glad you said this

$500 headphones goes against punk rock values anyway.

right, so it could easily be argued that mixing a song for your phone is very punk rock

This is REALLY interesting to me. I was posting just last night about my love of Ice Spice, and how great rap music is often the pure product of its environments...

I generally regard all music as one might the work of Alan Lomax or David Lewiston, who traveled the globe and chronicled indigenous music for the rest of the world to hear. Rarely do I make any attempt to separate the art from the artist; the music is a window into the world of the people making it.

I'm not sure that "punk" equals "cheap." But it DEFINITELY doesn't equal whatever it is Wotman's doing.

Birds in Hell wrote:Two points:

1. I think the impact of Beth on Ed’s 90s stances, persona and art is widely under examined and appreciated; and

2. I don’t really care about Ed’s values, and never did too much, I just think his current approach seems destined to make bad (or pretty mediocre) art.

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Leatherhead wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Leatherhead wrote:I'm glad this album is sounding like it does. I can't afford expensive listening equipment. Fuck all you rich fucks.

oh god I'm so glad you said this

$500 headphones goes against punk rock values anyway.

right, so it could easily be argued that mixing a song for your phone is very punk rock

This is REALLY interesting to me. I was posting just last night about my love of Ice Spice, and how great rap music is often the pure product of its environments...

I generally regard all music as one might the work of Alan Lomax or David Lewiston, who traveled the globe and chronicled indigenous music for the rest of the world to hear. Rarely do I make any attempt to separate the art from the artist; the music is a window into the world of the people making it.

I'm not sure that "punk" equals "cheap." But it DEFINITELY doesn't equal whatever it is Wotman's doing.

Thurman Murman wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote: I feel similarly but that’s probably heightened by the fact that I have little emotional connection to the band: sure, I liked them, but they were never my favorite band, not even close.

If it weren’t for this board, I doubt I would’ve listened to any Pearl Jam record made in the last 20 years.

For the life of me i cannot imagine having close to 15000 posts in a forum about a band that is not even remotely close to being my favorite band.

Birds in Hell wrote:Two points:

1. I think the impact of Beth on Ed’s 90s stances, persona and art is widely under examined and appreciated; and

2. I don’t really care about Ed’s values, and never did too much, I just think his current approach seems destined to make bad (or pretty mediocre) art.

VinylGuy wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Leatherhead wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Leatherhead wrote:I'm glad this album is sounding like it does. I can't afford expensive listening equipment. Fuck all you rich fucks.

oh god I'm so glad you said this

$500 headphones goes against punk rock values anyway.

right, so it could easily be argued that mixing a song for your phone is very punk rock

This is REALLY interesting to me. I was posting just last night about my love of Ice Spice, and how great rap music is often the pure product of its environments...

I generally regard all music as one might the work of Alan Lomax or David Lewiston, who traveled the globe and chronicled indigenous music for the rest of the world to hear. Rarely do I make any attempt to separate the art from the artist; the music is a window into the world of the people making it.

I'm not sure that "punk" equals "cheap." But it DEFINITELY doesn't equal whatever it is Wotman's doing.

good we have Trag to DEFINITELY point us to the right direction i guess