Red Mosquito

Bi_3 wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:Someone finally had the balls to type what we are all thinking:

https://thediplomat.com/2020/04/did-xi- ... the-world/

Jesus, dude

It's an entirely plausible argument.

its also plausible that this administrations delayed reaction to heading this pandemic off is part of their plan to turn the US of A into a police state run by Herr Trump

This is Covid-19, not Covid-1.

“The companies shouldn’t be obligated to help us. All they want is money, and that’s fine. It’s the point of the company. I don’t need to get a daily e-mail from Verizon telling me how much they care about my family. Mark Cuban shouldn’t have to pay for his employees’ lunches. They should be able to buy their own lunch, with money they have, because they aren’t worrying about rent or welfare or food. The wealthy should be taxed a lot and regularly, for the right to not have to chip in during a crisis. And maybe some companies, the ones that provide basic life needs, like groceries and Star Wars movies, well, they should be a basic utility, rather than an entity trying to make a profit.
[...]
A government doesn’t exist just to make and enforce laws. It’s an evolving infrastructure designed to protect the well-being of its own citizens.”

id like to see the snyder cut of this

Oh good - it's not just the lungs at risk....

Almost half the people hospitalised because of Covid-19 have blood or protein in their urine, indicating early damage to their kidneys, said Alan Kliger, a Yale University School of Medicine nephrologist who co-chairs a US task force assisting dialysis patients who have Covid-19.
Even more alarming, he added, is early data that shows 14 to 30 percent of intensive-care patients in New York and Wuhan, China - birthplace of the pandemic - have lost kidney function and require dialysis, or its in-hospital cousin, continuous renal replacement therapy.

The virus also may be damaging the heart. Clinicians in China and New York have reported myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle, and, more dangerous, irregular heart rhythms that can lead to cardiac arrest in Covid-19 patients.

"They seem to be doing really well as far as respiratory status goes, and then suddenly they develop a cardiac issue that seems out of proportion to their respiratory issues," said Mitchell Elkind, a Columbia University neurologist and president-elect of the American Heart Association. "This seems to be out of proportion to their lung disease, which makes people wonder about that direct effect."

wease wrote:This is Covid-19, not Covid-1.

I just found out this was a real life reference and not just a joke you made.

And now I need one of doug's infinity whiskey gifs...

B wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

Mickey wrote:Can safely say I was not thinking that, but very cool that you were!

Yeah, I wasn't thinking that either.

You should read it consider what it means for the future. This will be a big part of the election

It's not like I think China didn't obscure the stuff. They clearly did, and made the entire pandemic worse for the rest of the world. I just don't believe that they did it with the intent of purposely causing social unrest in and destroying the economies of it's competitors without having to take any action.

Changed it slightly to make it more in line with the article.

Think about just a fraction of what Xi has done:

• Built islands to lay territorial claim to international waters
  Held (last year, no idea of current status) ~1M Muslim men in concentration camps while government employees 'comforted' their wives
  Subsidizes a coal industry that pollutes more carbon and other GHG than the entire US
  Supplies weapons tech to states like North Korea
  Colonized Africa (over 1M Chinese citizens officially living there and China owns the majority of African national debt)

And given that you recognize the deception was widespread and intentional, that he told them stand down, ordered destroyed lab samples and records about coronavirus research, blocked WHO investigations, lied to world leaders on private phone calls, and sold faulty tests and PPE, do you really think his motive was not malicious?

durdencommatyler wrote:

wease wrote:This is Covid-19, not Covid-1.

I just found out this was a real life reference and not just a joke you made.

And now I need one of doug's infinity whiskey gifs...

I don't just make stuff up, Joe.

Donald wrote:Oh good - it's not just the lungs at risk....

Almost half the people hospitalised because of Covid-19 have blood or protein in their urine, indicating early damage to their kidneys, said Alan Kliger, a Yale University School of Medicine nephrologist who co-chairs a US task force assisting dialysis patients who have Covid-19.
Even more alarming, he added, is early data that shows 14 to 30 percent of intensive-care patients in New York and Wuhan, China - birthplace of the pandemic - have lost kidney function and require dialysis, or its in-hospital cousin, continuous renal replacement therapy.

The virus also may be damaging the heart. Clinicians in China and New York have reported myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle, and, more dangerous, irregular heart rhythms that can lead to cardiac arrest in Covid-19 patients.

"They seem to be doing really well as far as respiratory status goes, and then suddenly they develop a cardiac issue that seems out of proportion to their respiratory issues," said Mitchell Elkind, a Columbia University neurologist and president-elect of the American Heart Association. "This seems to be out of proportion to their lung disease, which makes people wonder about that direct effect."

i wonder if the mild cases do any damage we don't know about

96583UP wrote:

Donald wrote:Oh good - it's not just the lungs at risk....

Almost half the people hospitalised because of Covid-19 have blood or protein in their urine, indicating early damage to their kidneys, said Alan Kliger, a Yale University School of Medicine nephrologist who co-chairs a US task force assisting dialysis patients who have Covid-19.
Even more alarming, he added, is early data that shows 14 to 30 percent of intensive-care patients in New York and Wuhan, China - birthplace of the pandemic - have lost kidney function and require dialysis, or its in-hospital cousin, continuous renal replacement therapy.

The virus also may be damaging the heart. Clinicians in China and New York have reported myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle, and, more dangerous, irregular heart rhythms that can lead to cardiac arrest in Covid-19 patients.

"They seem to be doing really well as far as respiratory status goes, and then suddenly they develop a cardiac issue that seems out of proportion to their respiratory issues," said Mitchell Elkind, a Columbia University neurologist and president-elect of the American Heart Association. "This seems to be out of proportion to their lung disease, which makes people wonder about that direct effect."

i wonder if the mild cases do any damage we don't know about

No. Because otherwise you'd know

All you ever wanted to know about air and surface transmission

Spoiler: show

Worldometer

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/transmission/

COVID-19 CORONAVIRUS / TRANSMISSION
SARS-CoV-2 Transmission
Last updated: April 16, 5:00 GMT
"COVID-19 is a new disease and we are still learning about how it spreads" according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) [source]

In general, respiratory virus infection can occur through: [source]

contact (direct or indirect)
droplet spray in short range transmission
aerosol in long-range transmission (airborne transmission)
Close Contact (6 feet, 1.8 meters) and Respiratory Droplets
"The virus is thought to spread mainly from person-to-person.

Between people who are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet)
Through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs, sneezes or talks" [source]
This idea, that large droplets of virus-laden mucus are the primary mode of transmission, guides the US CDC's advice to maintain at least a 6-foot distance: "Maintaining good social distance (about 6 feet) is very important in preventing the spread of COVID-19" [source]

Is 6 feet enough?
Some experts contacted by LiveScience think that 6 feet (1.8 meters) is not enough [source]

Air Currents
"Larger respiratory droplets (>5 μm) remain in the air for only a short time and travel only short distances, generally <1 m" (less than 3.3 feet) [source] [source] [source]

"Virus-laden small (<5 μm) aerosolized droplets can remain in the air and travel long distances, >1 m" (more than 3.3 feet) [source] [source]

A study of transmission occurring in a restaurant between people at a distance above 1 meter, observed that "strong airflow from the air conditioner could have propagated droplets" [source]

Humidity (best if between 50% and 80%)
"It is assumed that temperature and humidity modulate the viability of viruses by affecting the properties of viral surface proteins and lipid membrane" [source] Relative humidity (RH, or Saturation Ratio: the state of vapor equilibrium in room air) affects all infectious droplets with respiratory viruses, independent of their source (respiratory tract or aerosolized from any fluid) and location (in air or settled on surfaces). Relative humidity therefore affects all transmission ways but has the most pronounced effect on airborne transmission. [source]

"Measurements of indoor humidities in 40 residential apartments in New York (19) and in 6 high-quality commercial buildings in the Midwest (20) showed indoor vapor pressure of below 10 mb or indoor RH of below 24% in the winter" [source]

Experiments conducted in a study indicated "a striking correlation of the stability of winter viruses at low RH (20–50%), while the stability of summer or all-year viruses enhanced at higher RH (80%)" [source]

Airborne Transmission
The WHO states that "Respiratory infections can be transmitted through droplets of different sizes: when the droplet particles are >5-10 μm in diameter they are referred to as respiratory droplets, and when they are <5μm in diameter, they are referred to as droplet nuclei. According to current evidence, COVID-19 virus is primarily transmitted between people through respiratory droplets and contact routes" [source]

The WHO defines airborne transmission as "the spread of an infectious agent caused by the dissemination of droplet nuclei that remain infectious when suspended in air over long distances and time" [source]

Air Distance: up to 4 meters (13 feet) might be possible (in hospitals)
"The maximum transmission distance of SARS-CoV-2 aerosol might be 4 m" (13.1 feet), according to a study published on April 10 on Emerging Infectious Diseases, a journal of the US CDC which also found that "SARS-CoV-2 was widely distributed in the air and on object surfaces in both the ICU and general ward (GW), implying a potentially high infection risk for medical staff and other close contacts" [source]

This is true in a hospital setting and doesn't necessarily apply to other settings. The WHO says that "in the context of COVID-19, airborne transmission may be possible in specific circumstances and settings in which procedures or support treatments that generate aerosols are performed; i.e., endotracheal intubation, bronchoscopy, open suctioning, administration of nebulized treatment, manual ventilation before intubation, turning the patient to the prone position, disconnecting the patient from the ventilator, non-invasive positive-pressure ventilation, tracheostomy, and cardiopulmonary resuscitation" [source]

And concludes that "further studies are needed to determine whether it is possible to detect COVID-19 virus in air samples from patient rooms where no procedures or support treatments that generate aerosols are ongoing" [source]

Air Duration: up to 3 hours (but not in normal conditions, according to WHO)
Virus can remain viable "in aerosols up to 3 hours" found a study published in The New England Journal of Medicine on March 17 [source]

The WHO notes that these findings need to be interpreted carefully: "in this experimental study, aerosols were generated using a three-jet Collison nebulizer and fed into a Goldberg drum under controlled laboratory conditions. This is a high-powered machine that does not reflect normal human cough conditions. Further, the finding of COVID-19 virus in aerosol particles up to 3 hours does not reflect a clinical setting in which aerosol-generating procedures are performed - that is, this was an experimentally induced aerosol-generating procedure" [source]

Objects and Surfaces
The virus could spread by touching an object or surface with virus present from an infected person, and then touching the mouth, nose or eyes.

Surface contamination as observed in the study cited above [source]:

Computer mouse (ICU 6/8, 75%; GW 1/5, 20%)
Trash cans (ICU 3/5, 60%; GW 0/8)
Sickbed handrails (ICU 6/14, 42.9%; GW 0/12)
Doorknobs (GW 1/12, 8.3%)
76.5% of all personal items sampled at the University of Nebraska Medical Center (UNMC) were determined to be positive for SARS-CoV-2 [source]

Of these samples, 81.3% of the miscellaneous personal items were positive by PCR, which included:

Exercise equipment
Medical equipment (spirometer, pulse oximeter, nasal cannula)
PC and iPads
Reading glasses

Other findings:

Cellular phones (83.3% positive for viral RNA)
Remote controls for in-room TVs (64.7% percent positive)
Toilets (81.0% positive)
Room surfaces (80.4% of all sampled)
Bedside tables and bed rails (75.0%)
Window ledges (81.8%)
Duration of contamination on objects and surfaces
Although the virus titer was greatly reduced, viable SARS-CoV-2 was measured for this length of time:

Plastic: up to 2-3 days
Stainless Steel: up to 2-3 days
Cardboard: up to 1 day
Copper: up to 4 hours
[source]

Floor
"The rate of positivity was relatively high for floor swab samples (ICU 7/10, 70%; GW 2/13, 15.4%), perhaps because of gravity and air flow causing most virus droplets to float to the ground.

In addition, as medical staff walk around the ward, the virus can be tracked all over the floor, as indicated by the 100% rate of positivity from the floor in the pharmacy, where there were no patients.

Furthermore, half of the samples from the soles of the ICU medical staff shoes tested positive. Therefore, the soles of medical staff shoes might function as carriers. The 3 weak positive results from the floor of dressing room 4 might also arise from these carriers. We highly recommend that persons disinfect shoe soles before walking out of wards containing COVID-19 patients." [source]




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Grimes has been a really bad influence on him

I know there were a couple other similar protests at other state capitols yesterday but Lansing's gotten the most press. Can't help but wonder how many will get in sick in the next couple weeks.
https://news.yahoo.com/thousands-conver ... 43463.html

Biff Pocoroba wrote:I know there were a couple other similar protests at other state capitols yesterday but Lansing's gotten the most press. Can't help but wonder how many will get in sick in the next couple weeks.
https://news.yahoo.com/thousands-conver ... 43463.html

I thought it was hilarious that they were protesting this "forced" quarantine, yet many of them were wearing masks.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

Biff Pocoroba wrote:I know there were a couple other similar protests at other state capitols yesterday but Lansing's gotten the most press. Can't help but wonder how many will get in sick in the next couple weeks.
https://news.yahoo.com/thousands-conver ... 43463.html

I thought it was hilarious that they were protesting this "forced" quarantine, yet many of them were wearing masks.

Good old fashioned Roger Stone tactics

Bye bye protestors!

I wonder if my racist friends are also telling those "losers" to "go back home" and "Get a job"

yea, probably not. Theyre racist.

Stories like this regarding nursing homes are both heartbreaking and horrific. I'm sure there will be other instances before the crisis fades.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/16/us/bodie ... index.html