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Re: The Supreme Court

Posted: Tue June 21, 2022 8:07 pm
by Bi_3
Green Habit wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
Green Habit wrote:Sticking with my general interpretation of the Religion Clause as "government shall neither favor nor disfavor religion", I'm inclined to think that the Court got this one right.
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I think the trollier one is someone starting their own religion and building their own school for it.
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Re: The Supreme Court

Posted: Wed June 22, 2022 2:20 am
by elliseamos
Um, Maine is all for more people moving up north.

Especially if you'll vote non-crazy.

All are welcome.

Also, once enough of you move there, the taxes will allow an f'n public school be built and we'll all move on from this story.

Re: The Supreme Court

Posted: Wed June 22, 2022 6:57 pm
by Norah
Now they say they're releasing opinions on Friday as well as tomorrow. Is a late add to the calendar like this that unusual?

Re: The Supreme Court

Posted: Thu June 23, 2022 1:56 am
by Green Habit
Norris wrote:Now they say they're releasing opinions on Friday as well as tomorrow. Is a late add to the calendar like this that unusual?
Nope, it tends to happen this time of year when they finally figure out when they have opinions ready to go.

Re: The Supreme Court

Posted: Thu June 23, 2022 2:39 pm
by Green Habit
Held: New York’s proper-cause requirement violates the Fourteenth Amendment by preventing law-abiding citizens with ordinary self-defense needs from exercising their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms in public for self-defense.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/2 ... 3_7j80.pdf

Re: The Supreme Court

Posted: Thu June 23, 2022 2:42 pm
by McParadigm

Re: The Supreme Court

Posted: Thu June 23, 2022 2:54 pm
by Green Habit
Yeah, that §1983/Miranda opinion is a really bad one that's going to duck a lot of criticism because everyone's going to be yelling over the gun case instead.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/2 ... 9_gfbh.pdf

Re: The Supreme Court

Posted: Thu June 23, 2022 3:20 pm
by 4/5
It won't be the tweet-length summary of the Roberts court, but I wonder if the most important long term legacy won't be the narrowing of judicial authority and legal standing, in turn tilting the citizen/government balance strongly towards governments by taking away people's ability to take legal action against governments/officials.

Re: The Supreme Court

Posted: Thu June 23, 2022 3:23 pm
by Norah
Green Habit wrote:
Norris wrote:Now they say they're releasing opinions on Friday as well as tomorrow. Is a late add to the calendar like this that unusual?
Nope, it tends to happen this time of year when they finally figure out when they have opinions ready to go.
Thank you.

Re: The Supreme Court

Posted: Thu June 23, 2022 7:01 pm
by simple schoolboy
Green Habit wrote:Yeah, that §1983/Miranda opinion is a really bad one that's going to duck a lot of criticism because everyone's going to be yelling over the gun case instead.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/2 ... 9_gfbh.pdf
Government officials have this sweet spot where they have immunity for their actions under the theory that they are fulfilling some necessary state action but it turns out they have almost no obligation to do specific acts so everything is at their discretion.

Immunity almost makes sense if they had real obligations.

Re: The Supreme Court

Posted: Fri June 24, 2022 2:18 pm
by Green Habit

Re: The Supreme Court

Posted: Fri June 24, 2022 2:30 pm
by blueviper
Yikes.

This opens the door for Plan B and other contraceptive banning.

Looks like it was a 5-4 decision.

Re: The Supreme Court

Posted: Fri June 24, 2022 2:31 pm
by Green Habit
The sum of the opinions is 213 fucking pages (classic Alito) but I was able to get the jist by reading a few paragraphs, and it was all that I expected.

Re: The Supreme Court

Posted: Fri June 24, 2022 2:35 pm
by Bi_3
Green Habit wrote:The sum of the opinions is 213 fucking pages (classic Alito) but I was able to get the jist by reading a few paragraphs, and it was all that I expected.
Is there somewhere you would recommend that calmly, objectively, and without Handmaiden's Tale references explains why Alito is wrong in this case?

Re: The Supreme Court

Posted: Fri June 24, 2022 2:39 pm
by Green Habit
blueviper wrote:Yikes.

This opens the door for Plan B and other contraceptive banning.

Looks like it was a 5-4 decision.
That's the big question ahead. There may be enough popular opposition to abortion in some places, but I think most people will (rightly) lose their shit over losing their contraception.

Re: The Supreme Court

Posted: Fri June 24, 2022 2:40 pm
by Mickey
According to Thomas it opens the door to saying "states rights" about a lot more then just contraceptives.

Re: The Supreme Court

Posted: Fri June 24, 2022 2:42 pm
by Mickey
Green Habit wrote:
blueviper wrote:Yikes.

This opens the door for Plan B and other contraceptive banning.

Looks like it was a 5-4 decision.
That's the big question ahead. There may be enough popular opposition to abortion in some places, but I think most people will (rightly) lose their shit over losing their contraception.
I don't know how much that matters, a lot of state legislatures are only nominally representative and full abortion bans are not popular.

Re: The Supreme Court

Posted: Fri June 24, 2022 2:43 pm
by Green Habit
Bi_3 wrote:
Green Habit wrote:The sum of the opinions is 213 fucking pages (classic Alito) but I was able to get the jist by reading a few paragraphs, and it was all that I expected.
Is there somewhere you would recommend that calmly, objectively, and without Handmaiden's Tale references explains why Alito is wrong in this case?
I'm away from the computer right now but if I find something later I’ll post it here.

Re: The Supreme Court

Posted: Fri June 24, 2022 2:44 pm
by blueviper
is there a specific section of the Constitution that was being used to uphold R v W ?

Re: The Supreme Court

Posted: Fri June 24, 2022 2:45 pm
by 4/5
Mickey wrote:According to Thomas it opens the door to saying "states rights" about a lot more then just contraceptives.
If Scalia was alive that wouldn't have been a solo dissent. He "warned" in Lawrence that it was going to lead to all sorts of apocalyptic things like the same-sex marriage.