Red Mosquito

Strat wrote:

RockPusher wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

RockPusher wrote:There's a lot of people here with a real axe to grind against Pearl Jam, and I find that weird.

Speaking for myself, I don’t have any axe to grind but also have no incentive to look at them through rose-tinted glasses.

When they make great music, I’m happy to give credit where it’s due; Dance of the Clairvoyants, for example.

There is no objectively great music. I'm shocked when people say they can't stand Pink Floyd but those people exist and their opinions are as valid as mine. So when people here act like there is some great crime being perpetrated by a once-great band, all they are telling me is that their taste doesn't jive with what's coming out now. And that's fine, but so many are getting high on their own supply of opinions, and trying to evangelize said opinions upon everyone else. I couldn't care less about you not digging Pearl Jam, but I am here to discuss Pearl Jam as a fan, and it's pretty lame to constantly have those discussions interrupted by people who are not fans anymore and also think everyone should see it like them. It's fucking rude. Understand spenno that I'm speaking generally here, not targeting you per se.

Nobody is telling you lot to love Pearl Jam or this song.

I used to be like you. When people didn't like Pearl Jam or shit on them - i would get offended and tell them to leave the negativity.

But weee adults, we don't all have to hate and love the same things. RM is all about digging deeper into these conversations. That's why this place is still around and wonderful

tragabigzanda wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Leatherhead wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Leatherhead wrote:I'm glad this album is sounding like it does. I can't afford expensive listening equipment. Fuck all you rich fucks.

oh god I'm so glad you said this

$500 headphones goes against punk rock values anyway.

right, so it could easily be argued that mixing a song for your phone is very punk rock

This is REALLY interesting to me. I was posting just last night about my love of Ice Spice, and how great rap music is often the pure product of its environments...

I generally regard all music as one might the work of Alan Lomax or David Lewiston, who traveled the globe and chronicled indigenous music for the rest of the world to hear. Rarely do I make any attempt to separate the art from the artist; the music is a window into the world of the people making it.

I'm not sure that "punk" equals "cheap." But it DEFINITELY doesn't equal whatever it is Wotman's doing.

good we have Trag to DEFINITELY point us to the right direction i guess

having an opinion on capitalism and its impacts on art is a nice privilege to have, I guess? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

That you seem determined to let us that your opinion on whataver you think Andrew Watt is doing is a fact.

Anyway im done with this talk, im really enjoying both of the songs actually. Pretty cool moment.

There are both opinions and facts.

Wotman and Ghanea's treatments include: aggressive use of compression, little-to-no room sound in the mix, there's either drum samples or weird multiband compression applied to the drums, and the overall EQ hypes the bottom and top end at the expense of the mid-range frequencies. These are all facts.

My opinion is that it sounds horrific, and that it's the outgrowth of a variety of factors, all of which have been identified multiple times by myself and others.

I shouldn't have to tell a guy who works in film production that technical choices are the result of the artists' intention.

Ms Harmless wrote:

Strat wrote:

RockPusher wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

RockPusher wrote:There's a lot of people here with a real axe to grind against Pearl Jam, and I find that weird.

Speaking for myself, I don’t have any axe to grind but also have no incentive to look at them through rose-tinted glasses.

When they make great music, I’m happy to give credit where it’s due; Dance of the Clairvoyants, for example.

There is no objectively great music. I'm shocked when people say they can't stand Pink Floyd but those people exist and their opinions are as valid as mine. So when people here act like there is some great crime being perpetrated by a once-great band, all they are telling me is that their taste doesn't jive with what's coming out now. And that's fine, but so many are getting high on their own supply of opinions, and trying to evangelize said opinions upon everyone else. I couldn't care less about you not digging Pearl Jam, but I am here to discuss Pearl Jam as a fan, and it's pretty lame to constantly have those discussions interrupted by people who are not fans anymore and also think everyone should see it like them. It's fucking rude. Understand spenno that I'm speaking generally here, not targeting you per se.

Nobody is telling you lot to love Pearl Jam or this song.

I used to be like you. When people didn't like Pearl Jam or shit on them - i would get offended and tell them to leave the negativity.

But weee adults, we don't all have to hate and love the same things. RM is all about digging deeper into these conversations. That's why this place is still around and wonderful

nobody's "digging deeper", they are repeatedly smashing me about the head with the shovel

nobody is telling anyone they have to like this song! but if I don't like Disney, I'm not going into Disney stores and ripping apart the plush toys because I enjoy watching the stuffing fly around

tragabigzanda wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:Question from Trag. Would all of the business related decisions be more tolerable to you if the music of the past 15 years was better? Let's say at the level of the last two RHCP albums with John?

Yes. I tolerate the knowledge that Anthony Kiedis is most likely a serial sexual predator because I enjoy his dumb, fun music. But that's what I signed up for with RHCP back in 1994, and I've never had any expectations otherwise.

ABNorman wrote:Team Potato

Strat wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Strat wrote:

RockPusher wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

RockPusher wrote:There's a lot of people here with a real axe to grind against Pearl Jam, and I find that weird.

Speaking for myself, I don’t have any axe to grind but also have no incentive to look at them through rose-tinted glasses.

When they make great music, I’m happy to give credit where it’s due; Dance of the Clairvoyants, for example.

There is no objectively great music. I'm shocked when people say they can't stand Pink Floyd but those people exist and their opinions are as valid as mine. So when people here act like there is some great crime being perpetrated by a once-great band, all they are telling me is that their taste doesn't jive with what's coming out now. And that's fine, but so many are getting high on their own supply of opinions, and trying to evangelize said opinions upon everyone else. I couldn't care less about you not digging Pearl Jam, but I am here to discuss Pearl Jam as a fan, and it's pretty lame to constantly have those discussions interrupted by people who are not fans anymore and also think everyone should see it like them. It's fucking rude. Understand spenno that I'm speaking generally here, not targeting you per se.

Nobody is telling you lot to love Pearl Jam or this song.

I used to be like you. When people didn't like Pearl Jam or shit on them - i would get offended and tell them to leave the negativity.

But weee adults, we don't all have to hate and love the same things. RM is all about digging deeper into these conversations. That's why this place is still around and wonderful

nobody's "digging deeper", they are repeatedly smashing me about the head with the shovel

nobody is telling anyone they have to like this song! but if I don't like Disney, I'm not going into Disney stores and ripping apart the plush toys because I enjoy watching the stuffing fly around

Sigh.

Classic Jamily. Have at it.

tragabigzanda wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:Question from Trag. Would all of the business related decisions be more tolerable to you if the music of the past 15 years was better? Let's say at the level of the last two RHCP albums with John?

Yes. I tolerate the knowledge that Anthony Kiedis is most likely a serial sexual predator because I enjoy his dumb, fun music. But that's what I signed up for with RHCP back in 1994, and I've never had any expectations otherwise.

Monkey_Driven wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:Question from Trag. Would all of the business related decisions be more tolerable to you if the music of the past 15 years was better? Let's say at the level of the last two RHCP albums with John?

Yes. I tolerate the knowledge that Anthony Kiedis is most likely a serial sexual predator because I enjoy his dumb, fun music. But that's what I signed up for with RHCP back in 1994, and I've never had any expectations otherwise.

You're a man of many layers. I respect it (other than the whole sexual predator brush off).

liebzz wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:Question from Trag. Would all of the business related decisions be more tolerable to you if the music of the past 15 years was better? Let's say at the level of the last two RHCP albums with John?

Yes. I tolerate the knowledge that Anthony Kiedis is most likely a serial sexual predator because I enjoy his dumb, fun music. But that's what I signed up for with RHCP back in 1994, and I've never had any expectations otherwise.

You're a man of many layers. I respect it (other than the whole sexual predator brush off).

In Trag’s defense, some people here still seem to enjoy Arcade Fire.

liebzz wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:Question from Trag. Would all of the business related decisions be more tolerable to you if the music of the past 15 years was better? Let's say at the level of the last two RHCP albums with John?

Yes. I tolerate the knowledge that Anthony Kiedis is most likely a serial sexual predator because I enjoy his dumb, fun music. But that's what I signed up for with RHCP back in 1994, and I've never had any expectations otherwise.

You're a man of many layers. I respect it (other than the whole sexual predator brush off).

In Trag’s defense, some people here still seem to enjoy Arcade Fire.

Juvenal wrote:‘Tis a tale as old as time on this forum; you should have seen the backlash when Avocado came out.

As for the current discussion? Different opinions are always welcome, but if you’re turbo-posting the same take over and over again it becomes a bit one-note and, frankly, dull.

Ms Harmless wrote:

Juvenal wrote:‘Tis a tale as old as time on this forum; you should have seen the backlash when Avocado came out.

As for the current discussion? Different opinions are always welcome, but if you’re turbo-posting the same take over and over again it becomes a bit one-note and, frankly, dull.

Juvenal wrote:‘Tis a tale as old as time on this forum; you should have seen the backlash when Avocado came out.

As for the current discussion? Different opinions are always welcome, but if you’re turbo-posting the same take over and over again it becomes a bit one-note and, frankly, dull.

Juvenal wrote:‘Tis a tale as old as time on this forum; you should have seen the backlash when Avocado came out.

As for the current discussion? Different opinions are always welcome, but if you’re turbo-posting the same take over and over again it becomes a bit one-note and, frankly, dull.