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Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:17 pm
by tree_
warehouse wrote:Strat wrote:warehouse wrote:tree_ wrote:warehouse wrote:tree_ wrote:warehouse wrote:whats wrong, you don't want us making fun of your wife? it's not even on live tv
If you call simply pointing out the length of my wife's hair "making fun of", then yeah, I'll show you a picture and have at it
is she "balding"?
some hairloss since giving birth. it happens to the best of us. Still hot though
so nothing like having alopecia. i need something else that you are ok with us making fun of your wife about, this won't cut it.
You pushing this at tree and trying to upset him about his wife is far more aggressive than rocks dumb joke.
i'm just trying to understand what he thinks is and isn't ok to say about someone's wife
It's probably never a good idea to insult anyone. But these stupid gazillionaire celebs have it coming, especially with all their hypocritical platitudes and everything. You wouldn't have even batted an eye if not for the SMACK. Remember Ricky Gervais? Nobody smacked him. But seriously, this was the least insulting insults of all time.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:17 pm
by Mickey
bada wrote:Mickey wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:Mickey wrote:Strat wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:warehouse wrote:it's almost like will smith is human with complex emotions!
Only insightful post in ten pages
Trag
What if Chris Rock posted a picture of a kid on a ventilator, without the spoiler tag?
Weak analogy for obvious reasons.
Look, my sphere of influence in this world is 30” tall and doesn’t even know how to tie her own shoelaces yet. My view is that people’s need to project their sense of justice onto a couple celebrities they’ll never meet is a bigger symptom of our collective sickness than whatever happened at the Oscars last night. It made for entertaining clickbait while I was brushing my teeth I guess.
I am not making an analogy I am making fun of you.
You should have slapped him.
It wouldn't be worth it, think of the interminable PMs I'd get in the aftermath.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:20 pm
by Ms Harmless
macphisto wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:LetMeSleep wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:Jada has Alopecia; Chris deserved every bit of that
Bullshit. The joke wasn’t about her having alopecia. It was about her look at that moment. Lots of African American women are bald and/or wear wigs. She chose that look. And that joke was innocuous.
Will Smith has over reacted and clearly has issues.
"chose" that look? shut the fuck up; she has Alopecia and has cut it short to save herself no end of shame if she existed as herself in public with random baldness caused by anxiety and stress
my partner has Alopecia and I would have done exactly the same fucking thing
Physical violence over words? Toxic.
Change your name to Harmful.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:22 pm
by Ms Harmless
tree_ wrote:warehouse wrote:Strat wrote:warehouse wrote:tree_ wrote:warehouse wrote:tree_ wrote:warehouse wrote:whats wrong, you don't want us making fun of your wife? it's not even on live tv
If you call simply pointing out the length of my wife's hair "making fun of", then yeah, I'll show you a picture and have at it
is she "balding"?
some hairloss since giving birth. it happens to the best of us. Still hot though
so nothing like having alopecia. i need something else that you are ok with us making fun of your wife about, this won't cut it.
You pushing this at tree and trying to upset him about his wife is far more aggressive than rocks dumb joke.
i'm just trying to understand what he thinks is and isn't ok to say about someone's wife
It's probably never a good idea to insult anyone. But these stupid gazillionaire celebs have it coming, especially with all their hypocritical platitudes and everything. You wouldn't have even batted an eye if not for the SMACK. Remember Ricky Gervais? Nobody smacked him. But seriously, this was the least insulting insults of all time.
honestly, the number of smacks Gervais deserves! where to begin?
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:24 pm
by Mickey
That would teach him not to be so naughty.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:24 pm
by Ms Harmless
I'd love to see the Venne diagram between groups calling Will Smith "violent" and "uncivil", and groups advocating for slapping their kids on the wrist when they step out of line
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:25 pm
by tree_
It's not like Rock said he hates bald people. He said "your hair right now looks like the hot girl from that one movie". LOL
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:26 pm
by Ms Harmless
Mickey wrote:That would teach him not to be so naughty.
I'm not concerned with "teaching" him anything, he's an intelligent dude who refuses to learn
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:28 pm
by Ms Harmless
tree_ wrote:It's not like Rock said he hates bald people. He said "your hair right now looks like the hot girl from that one movie". LOL
the joke communicated something deeply hurtful; he got a smack for it; I don't care what secret feelings he has in his heart for chronically ill (not just bald) people; if he respects them, that should be written into his shitty routines
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:30 pm
by tree_
Ms Harmless wrote:tree_ wrote:It's not like Rock said he hates bald people. He said "your hair right now looks like the hot girl from that one movie". LOL
the joke communicated something deeply hurtful; he got a smack for it; I don't care what secret feelings he has in his heart for chronically ill (not just bald) people; if he respects them, that should be written into his shitty routines
This is the same territory as that racism thread we were on about. He's not necessarily communicating what you're picking up. No offense, but your radar for painful insults is entirely out of whack, hate to break it to you. Sometimes a dumb joke is just a dumb joke. You know, for laughs?
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:30 pm
by The Argonaut
Will Smith is a "serious actor" who tries to win awards and get paid eight figures a movie. He's married to Jada, whose movie career has dried up. You can say that's a Hollywood bias against middle aged women or women of color, but also it's maybe just because she isn't that compelling of an actor. At least not enough to sustain a multi-decade career. Not everyone gets to stay in the big leagues forever.
So Jada's at a point in her career where if she wants to stay in the public eye, the avenue left to her is daytime television personality. That means airing your dirty laundry in public and being involved in drama. She needs that for her career. Will Smith doesn't need that for his career. But he somehow let her drag him into all that, airing their dirty laundry in public and letting people in way more than he ever should have.
Of course people are going to make fun of you when you do that. He thinks he's owed deference because he is a movie star. But when you act like a tabloid star, don't be surprised when you get treated like one. Tabloid starts act messy so people will talk about them and the cycle continues. Movie stars don't need that bullshit.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:31 pm
by The Argonaut
Ms Harmless wrote:tree_ wrote:It's not like Rock said he hates bald people. He said "your hair right now looks like the hot girl from that one movie". LOL
the joke communicated something deeply hurtful; he got a smack for it; I don't care what secret feelings he has in his heart for chronically ill (not just bald) people; if he respects them, that should be written into his shitty routines
Hitting is bad
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:33 pm
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:35 pm
by Ms Harmless
Jorge wrote:OK what he did was bad but not because of the sanctity of live TV
absolutely right
"unprofessional"? well of course; appearing on TV has its protocols
I'm just really anti- the notion that breaking those protocols for a just reason in a moment of passion should equate to moral depravity or some shit
somebody was smacked on the cheek, someone who wasn't even hurt by it; it wasn't Joker opening fire on a talk show
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:36 pm
by Mickey
Ms Harmless wrote:Mickey wrote:That would teach him not to be so naughty.
I'm not concerned with "teaching" him anything, he's an intelligent dude who refuses to learn
All conflict is predicated on a desire for an
otherwise, a necessarily pedagogical situation homie.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:38 pm
by Mickey
Ms Harmless wrote:Jorge wrote:OK what he did was bad but not because of the sanctity of live TV
absolutely right
"unprofessional"? well of course; appearing on TV has its protocols
I'm just really anti- the notion that breaking those protocols for a just reason in a moment of passion should equate to moral depravity or some shit
somebody was smacked on the cheek, someone who wasn't even hurt by it; it wasn't Joker opening fire on a talk show
Now THAT would be good TV. I would even spring for pay-per-view if I thought there was a chance to see Meghan McCain bite it.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:40 pm
by washing machine
Ms Harmless wrote:Jorge wrote:OK what he did was bad but not because of the sanctity of live TV
absolutely right
"unprofessional"? well of course; appearing on TV has its protocols
I'm just really anti- the notion that breaking those protocols for a just reason in a moment of passion should equate to moral depravity or some shit
somebody was smacked on the cheek, someone who wasn't even hurt by it; it wasn't Joker opening fire on a talk show
Me, ms harmless and warehouse. An odd RM alliance that has never existed before and one that I'm not sure has an agenda or purpose beyond this thread.
Prepare for battle, mosquito swarm.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:41 pm
by The Argonaut
You guys will win because at some point you'll just give up on reasonable debate and start hitting us
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:41 pm
by Ms Harmless
The Argonaut wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:tree_ wrote:It's not like Rock said he hates bald people. He said "your hair right now looks like the hot girl from that one movie". LOL
the joke communicated something deeply hurtful; he got a smack for it; I don't care what secret feelings he has in his heart for chronically ill (not just bald) people; if he respects them, that should be written into his shitty routines
Hitting is bad
telling jokes against disabled and chronically ill Black women and shaming them in front of a largely white crowd is just as bad, but we excuse hateful comedy as "freedom of speech"; I'm calling this reaction from Will "audience banter" and I thought it was hilarious; I also thought Chris Rock is in a much, much better social position to take what was dished out to him
it's worth noting here that I'm not an "anti-violence" person in the sense that a lot of people would wish I was; I don't think all violence is created equal, and if this wasn't staged (I don't think it was, but I'm allowing for the possibility) then I'm calling it resistance and consequence
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:43 pm
by warehouse
tree_ wrote:warehouse wrote:Strat wrote:warehouse wrote:tree_ wrote:warehouse wrote:tree_ wrote:warehouse wrote:whats wrong, you don't want us making fun of your wife? it's not even on live tv
If you call simply pointing out the length of my wife's hair "making fun of", then yeah, I'll show you a picture and have at it
is she "balding"?
some hairloss since giving birth. it happens to the best of us. Still hot though
so nothing like having alopecia. i need something else that you are ok with us making fun of your wife about, this won't cut it.
You pushing this at tree and trying to upset him about his wife is far more aggressive than rocks dumb joke.
i'm just trying to understand what he thinks is and isn't ok to say about someone's wife
It's probably never a good idea to insult anyone. But these stupid gazillionaire celebs have it coming, especially with all their hypocritical platitudes and everything. You wouldn't have even batted an eye if not for the SMACK. Remember Ricky Gervais? Nobody smacked him. But seriously, this was the least insulting insults of all time.
wrong. her reaction was pretty telling. i also don't care how much money they make, which seems to be a huge issue for you here.