Red Mosquito

Now, that's the stuff

doug rr wrote:

Oh my gaaaaaawd

epilogue wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

epilogue wrote:"This is remarkable, Ezra Klein says something I can kind of agree with if I squint so I'm gonna get dramatic about it even though I've spent my whole like acting like everything Ezra says is stupid and no one should trust him."

The hypocrisy is the only thing that remains stunning or remarkable.

The issue isn’t hypocrisy, it’s that youve created a delusion of what people whose politics you don’t like are, and then retreat to this imaginary world when someone dares to have impure or heretical thoughts by responding with some strawman representation of them to take shots at. It’s below you. Instead of attacking the poster, try commenting on the ideas of the content or speech. You’d be surprised how much brighter the world gets when your first reaction isn’t sticking your fingers in your ears.

No, that's not it all. But I appreciate the clear projection.

I'm not sticking my fingers in my ear. I've listened to Ezra for a long time. What he said is nothing new, not for him, and not for many on the left. But whomever that tweet is from presents it as some kind of revelation! It's disingenuous. It's the same thing you do all the time when you post. Create a narrative, usually it's snarky and in bad faith, and post without further context or elaboration. It's not uncommon on the right at all. That's what I have a problem with. That's the hypocrisy. But, of course, I don't imagine you'd see it or validate it.

I’ll take the bait, show me where Klein has attacked progressives over those things in the context of the election

Bi_3 wrote:

epilogue wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

epilogue wrote:"This is remarkable, Ezra Klein says something I can kind of agree with if I squint so I'm gonna get dramatic about it even though I've spent my whole like acting like everything Ezra says is stupid and no one should trust him."

The hypocrisy is the only thing that remains stunning or remarkable.

The issue isn’t hypocrisy, it’s that youve created a delusion of what people whose politics you don’t like are, and then retreat to this imaginary world when someone dares to have impure or heretical thoughts by responding with some strawman representation of them to take shots at. It’s below you. Instead of attacking the poster, try commenting on the ideas of the content or speech. You’d be surprised how much brighter the world gets when your first reaction isn’t sticking your fingers in your ears.

No, that's not it all. But I appreciate the clear projection.

I'm not sticking my fingers in my ear. I've listened to Ezra for a long time. What he said is nothing new, not for him, and not for many on the left. But whomever that tweet is from presents it as some kind of revelation! It's disingenuous. It's the same thing you do all the time when you post. Create a narrative, usually it's snarky and in bad faith, and post without further context or elaboration. It's not uncommon on the right at all. That's what I have a problem with. That's the hypocrisy. But, of course, I don't imagine you'd see it or validate it.

I’ll take the bait, show me where Klein has attacked progressives over those things in the context of the election

I mean... the dude literally has an entire podcast where he does this. He's done it for years. He was asking for Biden to step down way before anyone else. He has several books that talk about what progressives have gotten wrong. There are so many examples of this. Pick one episode of his pod to listen to. Pick one of his books to read.

This is what I mean about the right. Ya'll create a narrative and the right wing media ecosystem sends that shit out into the world and people believe it, but you never actually listen to what these liberals are saying. You assume Ezra Klein is some sort of out of control progressive, but that's literally never been the case. You don't listen to him, you listen to the commentary about him. And then you accuse the left of having fingers in their ears. It's maddening! And, yes, it's hypocritical.

epilogue wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

epilogue wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

epilogue wrote:"This is remarkable, Ezra Klein says something I can kind of agree with if I squint so I'm gonna get dramatic about it even though I've spent my whole like acting like everything Ezra says is stupid and no one should trust him."

The hypocrisy is the only thing that remains stunning or remarkable.

The issue isn’t hypocrisy, it’s that youve created a delusion of what people whose politics you don’t like are, and then retreat to this imaginary world when someone dares to have impure or heretical thoughts by responding with some strawman representation of them to take shots at. It’s below you. Instead of attacking the poster, try commenting on the ideas of the content or speech. You’d be surprised how much brighter the world gets when your first reaction isn’t sticking your fingers in your ears.

No, that's not it all. But I appreciate the clear projection.

I'm not sticking my fingers in my ear. I've listened to Ezra for a long time. What he said is nothing new, not for him, and not for many on the left. But whomever that tweet is from presents it as some kind of revelation! It's disingenuous. It's the same thing you do all the time when you post. Create a narrative, usually it's snarky and in bad faith, and post without further context or elaboration. It's not uncommon on the right at all. That's what I have a problem with. That's the hypocrisy. But, of course, I don't imagine you'd see it or validate it.

I’ll take the bait, show me where Klein has attacked progressives over those things in the context of the election

I mean... the dude literally has an entire podcast where he does this. He's done it for years. He was asking for Biden to step down way before anyone else. He has several books that talk about what progressives have gotten wrong. There are so many examples of this. Pick one episode of his pod to listen to. Pick one of his books to read.

This is what I mean about the right. Ya'll create a narrative and the right wing media ecosystem sends that shit out into the world and people believe it, but you never actually listen to what these liberals are saying. You assume Ezra Klein is some sort of out of control progressive, but that's literally never been the case. You don't listen to him, you listen to the commentary about him. And then you accuse the left of having fingers in their ears. It's maddening! And, yes, it's hypocritical.

Which book covers this?

Maybe start with Why We're Polarized.

Also, I said he "has several books" I meant he has several essays. He doesn't actually have "several books." That's me typing too fast.

He has several leather bound books and his apartment smells of rich mahogany.

tragabigzanda wrote:is ezra klein the guy from vampire weekend?

That's right

The whole doom and gloom thing that people are doing now is like the ultimate lulz.

Bammer wrote:The whole doom and gloom thing that people are doing now is like the ultimate lulz.

Glad you think it’s funny

Bammer wrote:The whole doom and gloom thing that people are doing now is like the ultimate lulz.

Do you prefer they storm Congress?

wease wrote:

Bammer wrote:The whole doom and gloom thing that people are doing now is like the ultimate lulz.

Glad you think it’s funny

It’ll be fine

Bammer wrote:

wease wrote:

Bammer wrote:The whole doom and gloom thing that people are doing now is like the ultimate lulz.

Glad you think it’s funny

It’ll be fine

Yeah, if you're ok with Trump and his shenanigans.

neocons on suicide watch

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

Bammer wrote:The whole doom and gloom thing that people are doing now is like the ultimate lulz.

Do you prefer they storm Congress?

Republicans had a cordial tour of the Capitol Building. Democrats are violently sad and self-reflective. I think it's clear who the terrorists are.

epilogue wrote:Maybe start with Why We're Polarized.

However good a writer he may be, it's unlikely he articulated criticisms of the Harris campaign's inability to address the public's perception of the results of the Biden administration's domestic policies in a book written in 2019. Possible, but unlikely. We are talking pre vs post COVID lockdowns, BLM riots, inflation, border security failures, etc. How many mottes you got back there?

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

Bammer wrote:The whole doom and gloom thing that people are doing now is like the ultimate lulz.

Do you prefer they storm Congress?

They'll just carry a "Free Palestine" flag and it'll be fine.