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Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Sat June 11, 2016 4:57 am
by spike
My bigger problem with the whole Jaquen theory is that he didn't sacrifice his life to the Red God, he actively fled.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Sat June 11, 2016 5:05 am
by The Argonaut
The mystery is not 'who got stabbed?' Arya got stabbed. The mystery is not 'will she survive?' She will survive. The mystery is 'who is going to appear out of the crowd she's stumbling through and help her survive?' Who is about to be Area's new ally? Is it someone we already know? Perhaps someone we haven't seen in a long while, or someone we're not sure we can trust?

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Sat June 11, 2016 5:17 am
by Norah
The Argonaut wrote:The mystery is not 'who got stabbed?' Arya got stabbed. The mystery is not 'will she survive?' She will survive. The mystery is 'who is going to appear out of the crowd she's stumbling through and help her survive?' Who is about to be Area's new ally? Is it someone we already know? Perhaps someone we haven't seen in a long while, or someone we're not sure we can trust?
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Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Sat June 11, 2016 5:35 am
by The Argonaut
oh yeah

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Sat June 11, 2016 6:36 am
by BurtReynolds
Having read the first book now, I think the show did a lot of things better.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Sat June 11, 2016 2:22 pm
by Bammer
Bammer wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:I DO like that theory floating around that
Spoiler: show
It was Jaqen wearing Arya's face.
1. Walked like Jaqen, wore hair parted down the middle, threw the coin with the right hand (Arya is left handed)

2. Was too obvious. Arya would have never asked for a cabin. The money was thrown around too casually, even if she was capable of stealing such a sum.

3. Lingering shot of statue on the bridge, maybe sorry to leave. Arya hasn’t been there that long, doesn’t have a particular fondness for the place. Could have stowed away as a cabin boy too easily

4. Jaqen’s life belongs to her. He promised her 3 lives to take for the Red God. He took 2, then she named him as her 3rd. Instead of dying he bargained and agreed to help her escape but then when he left he gave her the coin and told her to come to Braavos. And he gave her the words Valar Morghulis, all men must die. Knowing what we know about their relationship with death there would have been no bargain really. He believes in death

His life is owed to the Red God. No bargain can change his fate and he knows it. He willingly dies in Arya’s place, wearing her face, to fulfill the contract on his own life. He also was testing the Waif who did not fulfill the contract correctly by doing a belly wound instead of killing quickly. Waif is going to go out before he is gone officially. Scenes from next week show Waif running/ chasing possible real Arya.
That's kinda fun.
Spoiler: show
Wouldn't she have to be dead for someone else to wear her face?
Can anyone confirm or deny that you have to be dead before Jaq & Co. can use your face as a mask?

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Sat June 11, 2016 2:38 pm
by epilogue
Bammer wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:I DO like that theory floating around that
Spoiler: show
It was Jaqen wearing Arya's face.
1. Walked like Jaqen, wore hair parted down the middle, threw the coin with the right hand (Arya is left handed)

2. Was too obvious. Arya would have never asked for a cabin. The money was thrown around too casually, even if she was capable of stealing such a sum.

3. Lingering shot of statue on the bridge, maybe sorry to leave. Arya hasn’t been there that long, doesn’t have a particular fondness for the place. Could have stowed away as a cabin boy too easily

4. Jaqen’s life belongs to her. He promised her 3 lives to take for the Red God. He took 2, then she named him as her 3rd. Instead of dying he bargained and agreed to help her escape but then when he left he gave her the coin and told her to come to Braavos. And he gave her the words Valar Morghulis, all men must die. Knowing what we know about their relationship with death there would have been no bargain really. He believes in death

His life is owed to the Red God. No bargain can change his fate and he knows it. He willingly dies in Arya’s place, wearing her face, to fulfill the contract on his own life. He also was testing the Waif who did not fulfill the contract correctly by doing a belly wound instead of killing quickly. Waif is going to go out before he is gone officially. Scenes from next week show Waif running/ chasing possible real Arya.
That's kinda fun.
Spoiler: show
Wouldn't she have to be dead for someone else to wear her face?
Spoiler: show
Not necessarily, no. We've seen Jaqen wear her face already in the House of Black & White. Also, the book mentions three different ways that the Faceless Men are able to change faces. It hasn't been mentioned in the show, though.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Sat June 11, 2016 3:08 pm
by Bammer
durdencommatyler wrote:
Bammer wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:I DO like that theory floating around that
Spoiler: show
It was Jaqen wearing Arya's face.
1. Walked like Jaqen, wore hair parted down the middle, threw the coin with the right hand (Arya is left handed)

2. Was too obvious. Arya would have never asked for a cabin. The money was thrown around too casually, even if she was capable of stealing such a sum.

3. Lingering shot of statue on the bridge, maybe sorry to leave. Arya hasn’t been there that long, doesn’t have a particular fondness for the place. Could have stowed away as a cabin boy too easily

4. Jaqen’s life belongs to her. He promised her 3 lives to take for the Red God. He took 2, then she named him as her 3rd. Instead of dying he bargained and agreed to help her escape but then when he left he gave her the coin and told her to come to Braavos. And he gave her the words Valar Morghulis, all men must die. Knowing what we know about their relationship with death there would have been no bargain really. He believes in death

His life is owed to the Red God. No bargain can change his fate and he knows it. He willingly dies in Arya’s place, wearing her face, to fulfill the contract on his own life. He also was testing the Waif who did not fulfill the contract correctly by doing a belly wound instead of killing quickly. Waif is going to go out before he is gone officially. Scenes from next week show Waif running/ chasing possible real Arya.
That's kinda fun.
Spoiler: show
Wouldn't she have to be dead for someone else to wear her face?
Spoiler: show
Not necessarily, no. We've seen Jaqen wear her face already in the House of Black & White. Also, the book mentions three different ways that the Faceless Men are able to change faces. It hasn't been mentioned in the show, though.
Great. So now we have time travel where anything can go back and be reversed, dead people coming back to life so nothing is ever truly final, and the ability for some people to appear as ANYONE else so you never really know who it is. In other words nothing has to make any sense at all. Lame.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Sat June 11, 2016 7:59 pm
by epilogue
Bammer wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
Bammer wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:I DO like that theory floating around that
Spoiler: show
It was Jaqen wearing Arya's face.
1. Walked like Jaqen, wore hair parted down the middle, threw the coin with the right hand (Arya is left handed)

2. Was too obvious. Arya would have never asked for a cabin. The money was thrown around too casually, even if she was capable of stealing such a sum.

3. Lingering shot of statue on the bridge, maybe sorry to leave. Arya hasn’t been there that long, doesn’t have a particular fondness for the place. Could have stowed away as a cabin boy too easily

4. Jaqen’s life belongs to her. He promised her 3 lives to take for the Red God. He took 2, then she named him as her 3rd. Instead of dying he bargained and agreed to help her escape but then when he left he gave her the coin and told her to come to Braavos. And he gave her the words Valar Morghulis, all men must die. Knowing what we know about their relationship with death there would have been no bargain really. He believes in death

His life is owed to the Red God. No bargain can change his fate and he knows it. He willingly dies in Arya’s place, wearing her face, to fulfill the contract on his own life. He also was testing the Waif who did not fulfill the contract correctly by doing a belly wound instead of killing quickly. Waif is going to go out before he is gone officially. Scenes from next week show Waif running/ chasing possible real Arya.
That's kinda fun.
Spoiler: show
Wouldn't she have to be dead for someone else to wear her face?
Spoiler: show
Not necessarily, no. We've seen Jaqen wear her face already in the House of Black & White. Also, the book mentions three different ways that the Faceless Men are able to change faces. It hasn't been mentioned in the show, though.
Great. So now we have time travel where anything can go back and be reversed, dead people coming back to life so nothing is ever truly final, and the ability for some people to appear as ANYONE else so you never really know who it is. In other words nothing has to make any sense at all. Lame.
You're watching a show about magic and dragons, man.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Sat June 11, 2016 9:48 pm
by The Argonaut
cutuphalfdead wrote:
The Argonaut wrote:The mystery is not 'who got stabbed?' Arya got stabbed. The mystery is not 'will she survive?' She will survive. The mystery is 'who is going to appear out of the crowd she's stumbling through and help her survive?' Who is about to be Area's new ally? Is it someone we already know? Perhaps someone we haven't seen in a long while, or someone we're not sure we can trust?
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Maybe they'll do a thing where she thinks she sees Robb or Ned but it turns out just to be the actor that played them in the plays.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Sat June 11, 2016 10:11 pm
by Mecca
BurtReynolds wrote:Having read the first book now, I think the show did a lot of things better.
you mean the first book that was the first season pretty much portrayed verbatim?

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Sat June 11, 2016 10:22 pm
by BurtReynolds
Mecca wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:Having read the first book now, I think the show did a lot of things better.
you mean the first book that was the first season pretty much portrayed verbatim?
yeah it did a lot of those things better.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Sat June 11, 2016 10:22 pm
by epilogue
BurtReynolds wrote:
Mecca wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:Having read the first book now, I think the show did a lot of things better.
you mean the first book that was the first season pretty much portrayed verbatim?
yeah it did a lot of those things better.
Yep

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Sat June 11, 2016 10:25 pm
by EJ
I can't wait until Baratheon comes back to life in the finale.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Sat June 11, 2016 11:29 pm
by spike

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Sun June 12, 2016 12:34 am
by Mecca

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Sun June 12, 2016 12:48 am
by BurtReynolds
yeah that's dumb

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Sun June 12, 2016 1:11 am
by Mecca
BurtReynolds wrote:yeah that's dumb
is Jorah going to the White Mountains to recruit the Dead Men of Dunharrow?

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Sun June 12, 2016 1:18 am
by Simple Torture
Mecca wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:yeah that's dumb
is Jorah going to the White Mountains to recruit the Dead Men of Dunharrow?
Careful, we're almost certainly going to get the Knights of the Vale coming in Ride-of-the-Rohirrim style at Winterfell.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Sun June 12, 2016 1:24 am
by Mecca
Simple Torture wrote:
Mecca wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:yeah that's dumb
is Jorah going to the White Mountains to recruit the Dead Men of Dunharrow?
Careful, we're almost certainly going to get the Knights of the Vale coming in Ride-of-the-Rohirrim style at Winterfell.
Mace Tyrell already delivered his version of Theoden's speech