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Re: R.I.P.

Posted: Tue September 14, 2021 8:52 pm
by tree_
epilogue wrote:The illusion of the culture war
Really? Are you OK with "retard" or not? How about "fag" or jokes about how women should be in the kitchen?

Re: R.I.P.

Posted: Tue September 14, 2021 8:54 pm
by Rangi Guy
tree_ wrote:
epilogue wrote:The illusion of the culture war
Really? Are you OK with "retard" or not? How about "fag" or jokes about how women should be in the kitchen?
Depends on context

Re: R.I.P.

Posted: Tue September 14, 2021 8:58 pm
by tree_
That was the point I tried making when I was almost banned for using "r" word appropriately here before... I'd bet it'd even be argued that using it in a joke is worse

Re: R.I.P.

Posted: Tue September 14, 2021 9:00 pm
by Ello Sailor
You'll never get through to the phonies, Tree. Probably best to drop it.

Re: R.I.P.

Posted: Tue September 14, 2021 9:02 pm
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Re: R.I.P.

Posted: Tue September 14, 2021 9:03 pm
by tree_
trag, are you saying that if it were actually funny when I said "r" word, it's more PC and wouldn't get me into trouble?

Re: R.I.P.

Posted: Tue September 14, 2021 9:05 pm
by BurtReynolds
A great man is dead, Tree! This is no time for your antics!

Re: R.I.P.

Posted: Tue September 14, 2021 9:09 pm
by epilogue
tree_ wrote:
epilogue wrote:The illusion of the culture war
Really? Are you OK with "retard" or not? How about "fag" or jokes about how women should be in the kitchen?
There is nuance and context to all things. Fabricating outrage to distract and divide is absurd. The culture war isn't real, it's a political fabrication.

But to answer your question, no. I'm not okay using those words, which is why I don't use them. More importantly, the groups disparaged by those words don't appreciate their use and I respect that. Having said that, I'm not gonna tell you I've never laughed at a well crafted joke that uses those words. A former co-worker of mine is gay and hates the "f" word. It repulses him. But he always laughs at that scene in The Hangover. He finds it really funny and openly says so.

Again, nuance and context. Like George Carlin said, anything can be funny, it all depends on the exaggeration. I'm sure Norm told a lot of jokes that I wouldn't have laughed at or that may have rubbed me the wrong way or made me cringe. But he also told a lot of jokes that I adore, and made me happy, or made me think. He was a master of his craft. His career and contribution to the art form deserve to be celebrated; his passing mourned.

My respect and admiration for him is not hypocritical. I can love Norm and hate the "f" word at the same time.

Re: R.I.P.

Posted: Tue September 14, 2021 9:18 pm
by Norah
tree gonna tree

Re: R.I.P.

Posted: Tue September 14, 2021 9:20 pm
by Simple Torture
Imagine if the hill you wanted to die on was 4th-grade playground comedy.

Re: R.I.P.

Posted: Tue September 14, 2021 9:22 pm
by tree_
Thanks joe. I honestly get very confused how white knight PC people can seem to pick and choose but that does clarify your position for me

Re: R.I.P.

Posted: Tue September 14, 2021 9:23 pm
by tree_
Simple Torture wrote:Imagine if the hill you wanted to die on was 4th-grade playground comedy.
I’m not trying to die on any hill. But I did almost get executed on one a few times at this message board

Re: R.I.P.

Posted: Tue September 14, 2021 9:24 pm
by dad
that face is so so good.


Re: R.I.P.

Posted: Tue September 14, 2021 9:28 pm
by Simple Torture
tree_ wrote:
Simple Torture wrote:Imagine if the hill you wanted to die on was 4th-grade playground comedy.
I’m not trying to die on any hill. But I did almost get executed on one a few times at this message board
Perhaps next time the headsman will be a bit quicker.

Re: R.I.P.

Posted: Tue September 14, 2021 10:35 pm
by Strat
Tree really has a knack for hijacking just about any conversation with his idiocy

Re: R.I.P.

Posted: Tue September 14, 2021 10:39 pm
by BurtReynolds
That was pretty funny.

Re: R.I.P.

Posted: Tue September 14, 2021 10:41 pm
by dad
BurtReynolds wrote: That was pretty funny.
i just watched that clip. gotta respect a guy who went out of his way to not roast one of his heroes.

Re: R.I.P.

Posted: Tue September 14, 2021 10:46 pm
by wease
epilogue wrote:
tree_ wrote:
epilogue wrote:The illusion of the culture war
Really? Are you OK with "retard" or not? How about "fag" or jokes about how women should be in the kitchen?
There is nuance and context to all things. Fabricating outrage to distract and divide is absurd. The culture war isn't real, it's a political fabrication.

But to answer your question, no. I'm not okay using those words, which is why I don't use them. More importantly, the groups disparaged by those words don't appreciate their use and I respect that. Having said that, I'm not gonna tell you I've never laughed a well crafted joke that uses those words. A former co-worker of mine is gay and hates the "f" word. It repulses him. But he always laughs at that scene in The Hangover. He finds it really funny and openly says so.

Again, nuance and context. Like George Carlin said, anything can be funny, it all depends on the exaggeration. I'm sure Norm told a lot of jokes that I wouldn't have laughed at or that may have rubbed me the wrong way or made me cringe. But he also told a lot of jokes that I adore, and made me happy, or made me think. He was a master of his craft. His career and contribution to the artform deserve to celebrated; his passing mourned.

My respect and admiration for him is not hypocritical. I can love Norm and hate the "f" word at the same time.
:heartbeat:

Re: R.I.P.

Posted: Tue September 14, 2021 10:47 pm
by wease
Strat wrote:Tree really has a knack for hijacking just about any conversation with his idiocy
Ignore can be your friend.

Re: R.I.P.

Posted: Tue September 14, 2021 11:33 pm
by tree_
dad wrote:that face is so so good.

I’m going to have to show this to my son one day