Red Mosquito

Strat wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:I'm just gonna throw this out there. And y'all can take it, leave it, or rip it apart. But I think sampling is kinda dumb and super lazy. And it's a big reason why I can't get into most hiphop/rap music.

Sorry team. I'll go fuck myself, promptly.

Can I watch?

What do you think about the atmosphere song i posted a page or so back?

From the front row with popcorn, boo.

Also, I didn't watch/listen yet. Should I?

I feel like I should point out that mastering samples on ableton and protools and the like is more complicated/challenging than most musical instruments, so I don't know if there's much to that laziness accusation.

Not in terms of time commitment or challenge or whatever. In terms of artistry.

durdencommatyler wrote:Not in terms of time commitment or challenge or whatever. In terms of artistry.

I think there's a strong argument to be made that sampling offers a chance for greater artistic insight than traditional instruments. While things like guitar, trumpet, drums, etc. can be used to great effect for mood, tone, and sonic texture, a sample can do that while also evoking a direct connection to pop culture and musical/ideological lineage. You can literally hear the base of influence the artist is creating from. The historical continuity can be pretty mindblowing when it's done well. I'm not saying that instruments can't do similar things, but sampling can accomplish it in startlingly direct, creative, and meaningful ways.

durdencommatyler wrote:I'm just gonna throw this out there. And y'all can take it, leave it, or rip it apart. But I think sampling is kinda dumb and super lazy. And it's a big reason why I can't get into most hiphop/rap music.

Sorry team. I'll go fuck myself, promptly.

Im in the same boat.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Not in terms of time commitment or challenge or whatever. In terms of artistry.

I think there's a strong argument to be made that sampling offers a chance for greater artistic insight than traditional instruments. While things like guitar, trumpet, drums, etc. can be used to great effect for mood, tone, and sonic texture, a sample can do that while also evoking a direct connection to pop culture and musical/ideological lineage. You can literally hear the base of influence the artist is creating from. The historical continuity can be pretty mindblowing when it's done well. I'm not saying that instruments can't do similar things, but sampling can accomplish it in startlingly direct, creative, and meaningful ways.

Alright, yeah. That's an interesting point.

durdencommatyler wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Not in terms of time commitment or challenge or whatever. In terms of artistry.

I think there's a strong argument to be made that sampling offers a chance for greater artistic insight than traditional instruments. While things like guitar, trumpet, drums, etc. can be used to great effect for mood, tone, and sonic texture, a sample can do that while also evoking a direct connection to pop culture and musical/ideological lineage. You can literally hear the base of influence the artist is creating from. The historical continuity can be pretty mindblowing when it's done well. I'm not saying that instruments can't do similar things, but sampling can accomplish it in startlingly direct, creative, and meaningful ways.

Alright, yeah. That's an interesting point.

I need to consider what that means in a greater context. And intentions and all of that. But it's the first argument I've heard that actually strikes a chord. So.... good fucking job, Jordan.

durdencommatyler wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Not in terms of time commitment or challenge or whatever. In terms of artistry.

I think there's a strong argument to be made that sampling offers a chance for greater artistic insight than traditional instruments. While things like guitar, trumpet, drums, etc. can be used to great effect for mood, tone, and sonic texture, a sample can do that while also evoking a direct connection to pop culture and musical/ideological lineage. You can literally hear the base of influence the artist is creating from. The historical continuity can be pretty mindblowing when it's done well. I'm not saying that instruments can't do similar things, but sampling can accomplish it in startlingly direct, creative, and meaningful ways.

Alright, yeah. That's an interesting point.

Goddamnit durden if I'm gonna align myself with you, you can't cave at the first wordy paragraph that comes along. FFS.

BurtReynolds wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Not in terms of time commitment or challenge or whatever. In terms of artistry.

I think there's a strong argument to be made that sampling offers a chance for greater artistic insight than traditional instruments. While things like guitar, trumpet, drums, etc. can be used to great effect for mood, tone, and sonic texture, a sample can do that while also evoking a direct connection to pop culture and musical/ideological lineage. You can literally hear the base of influence the artist is creating from. The historical continuity can be pretty mindblowing when it's done well. I'm not saying that instruments can't do similar things, but sampling can accomplish it in startlingly direct, creative, and meaningful ways.

Alright, yeah. That's an interesting point.

Goddamnit durden if I'm gonna align myself with you, you can't cave at the first wordy paragraph that comes along. FFS.

No, no. You're right. Sorry. I didn't see your post.

durdencommatyler wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Not in terms of time commitment or challenge or whatever. In terms of artistry.

I think there's a strong argument to be made that sampling offers a chance for greater artistic insight than traditional instruments. While things like guitar, trumpet, drums, etc. can be used to great effect for mood, tone, and sonic texture, a sample can do that while also evoking a direct connection to pop culture and musical/ideological lineage. You can literally hear the base of influence the artist is creating from. The historical continuity can be pretty mindblowing when it's done well. I'm not saying that instruments can't do similar things, but sampling can accomplish it in startlingly direct, creative, and meaningful ways.

Alright, yeah. That's an interesting point.

Goddamnit durden if I'm gonna align myself with you, you can't cave at the first wordy paragraph that comes along. FFS.

No, no. You're right. Sorry. I didn't see your post.

Alliance: on

im with burt and joey

BurtReynolds wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Not in terms of time commitment or challenge or whatever. In terms of artistry.

I think there's a strong argument to be made that sampling offers a chance for greater artistic insight than traditional instruments. While things like guitar, trumpet, drums, etc. can be used to great effect for mood, tone, and sonic texture, a sample can do that while also evoking a direct connection to pop culture and musical/ideological lineage. You can literally hear the base of influence the artist is creating from. The historical continuity can be pretty mindblowing when it's done well. I'm not saying that instruments can't do similar things, but sampling can accomplish it in startlingly direct, creative, and meaningful ways.

Alright, yeah. That's an interesting point.

Goddamnit durden if I'm gonna align myself with you, you can't cave at the first wordy paragraph that comes along. FFS.

No, no. You're right. Sorry. I didn't see your post.

Alliance: on

doug rr wrote:im with burt and joey

Three beavers are better than one!

I thought you liked the Beastie Boys? The Beastie Boys were way into sampling. You could call them pioneers in the art thereof.

I remember you liking "Root Down", yeah? That song is pretty much all samples.

Yeah, Root Down is pretty badass.

theplatypus wrote:I feel like I should point out that mastering samples on ableton and protools and the like is more complicated/challenging than most musical instruments, so I don't know if there's much to that laziness accusation.

What do you mean by 'than most instruments'?? Like kanye mastering samples is tougher than me learning to play a guitar.. or kanye mastering samples is tougher than Jimmy page writing and playing a guitar part on a given zeppelin classic??

theplatypus wrote:I thought you liked the Beastie Boys? The Beastie Boys were way into sampling. You could call them pioneers in the art thereof.

They also played instruments

i got bugs wrote:What do you mean by 'than most instruments'?? Like kanye mastering samples is tougher than me learning to play a guitar..

Yes.

But again, I don't have a wealth of rap/hiphop knowledge. I've owned up to that. Sampling is something that comes with the territory. You can't really avoid it. So it takes something else to elevate the song beyond that, for me. A lot of what the Beastie's do is really interesting to me. I've never really taken the time to consider it or break it down or whatever. Maybe I should.

But if I notice a sample or if the sample overwhelms the rest of the song, it turns me off. I don't know what's sampled in Root Down. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.

There are other samples that I can dig, though. So there are times that I'm into it. Perhaps the rest of the time I'm just an uninformed asshole.