Red Mosquito

BurtReynolds wrote:have tix been this expensive for awhile? I haven't seen a non festival show in years.

Yes, in fact, I think they went down in price or at worst kept them the same price from a year or two ago.

Bravo!

lol

i don't plan on seeing this band live anymore - i've been too much disappointed the last time i did. maybe if i had been hooked in their golden years i'd be more obsessed over their status as a live monster but i'm not. albums are where PJ's at for me so i'll listen and probably go on to great details about my appreciation - or lack thereof - of their next record.

given2trade wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:have tix been this expensive for awhile? I haven't seen a non festival show in years.

Yes, in fact, I think they went down in price or at worst kept them the same price from a year or two ago.

Bravo!

lol

Im pretty sure i paid 185 for a pair at some point

given2trade wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:have tix been this expensive for awhile? I haven't seen a non festival show in years.

Yes, in fact, I think they went down in price or at worst kept them the same price from a year or two ago.

Bravo!

lol

I really have no idea what tix for big acts go for these days. I've only seen twenty dollar club acts or big festival shows recently. they seem like a much better bargain.

given2trade wrote:

stip wrote:

given2trade wrote:

stip wrote:

given2trade wrote:

stip wrote:Seniority still means you get the best seats available

I think Pearl Jam could be found to have kidnapped the members of Creed and kept them in a dungeon for 10 years and you'd still figure out a way to spin it.

As a favor to music fans?

people should actually bitch about real things. If pj got rid of priority seating for fan club members that would be a huge deal. Seniority gets you the best seats available as a favor to long standing members. It still does. But a fan club is not some feudal aristocracy whose primary purpose is maximizing the privelage of senior members over everyone else. If the ga seats were open to a general audience that would be much lamer. But it just for 10c members.

I wasn't referring to just the Pit GA issue. I'm not even that critical of it. Shit, I haven't been that critical of anything that's happened the last few days. Cheap tickets, lottery system, and a tour. Sounds ok to me.

You can find a way to defend everything Pearl Jam and 10 Club though. Sometimes you'll take the antagonistic side only to then brush it off to "see the larger picture". I chalk to up to your "co-ownership" of Pearl Jam via being a mod here. You feel them.

Most of the things people bitch about here aren't worth bitching about, or get blown out of proportion due to the group think mentality you can get on a message board. It's not that I'm interested in defending everything pearl jam or 10c does. It's just that too much of the criticism here is either whining or self-righteous bullshit.

Stip, in the last 6-10 years Pearl Jam is:

2 shitty albums
10 Club has been an abomination of a fan club
Barely toured
Been sponsored by Target and Oracle amongst others; the same band that had audacity to put out posters with the phrase "sponsored by no one" when they were worth 1/100th the amount of money they are worth now.

Basically, the band has half assed it for almost a decade. There is very little to defend. In the pro/con list, the cons far outweigh the pros, which basically consist of everything they did from 1991-2003.

2 shitty albums:

If you don't like the music you don't like the music. I think backspacer was a near great album, and S/T was very good. They were also both well reviewed. I think the notion that Backspacer was lazy is ridiculous.



10 Club has been an abomination of a fan club:

The newsletters/singles are embarrassingly late. The staggered tour announcements are unfair to people who make travel decisions based on imperfect information. The website debacles for past tours are inexcusable.

I don't really bleed for the people upset about the horrible loss of seniority privilege. I thought the lottery was a great idea. I thought the randomized seats in a few rows was fine. Not crazy about GA, but other people are.

The fan club sells a lot of crap I would never buy. But people do. And it's their job to sell stuff that people buy. None of it is essential to being a fan, so if you don't want to spend the money, don't.

I do think selling stuff with the 10c logo on it is stupid.



Barely toured

yeah, I wish they toured more. I wish they recorded more too. They're not nearly as prolific as I'd like them to be.


Been sponsored by Target and Oracle amongst others; the same band that had audacity to put out posters with the phrase "sponsored by no one" when they were worth 1/100th the amount of money they are worth now. :

Yeah, I think this is really kinda stupid (the critique). I've railed about this a million times. When you start to unpack it this critique is pretty superficial, unless you are a teenage punk rocker in love with meaningless notions of authenticity.



Basically, the band has half assed it for almost a decade. There is very little to defend. In the pro/con list, the cons far outweigh the pros, which basically consist of everything they did from 1991-2003.

Perhaps, but there being little to defend does not mean that there is a lot to critique either. 2003-2009 they were perfectly prolific. Several major tours, 3 records. So really you're talking about 4 years when the band largely lay low. It's disappointing, but this does not a crisis make. Nor does it justify the odd mixture of repulsive smugness or existential angst that seem to accompany much of the complaining about the band.

I do love you Stip, and I mean that with no sense of sarcasm.

That said; the downfall in music quality started way before 2009. The last decent (debatable) album was Riot Act in 2003.

And the contempt for fans via the ridiculous actions of the 10 Club (you named most of them) is inexcusable. At least they have fixed the worst issues, namely the website and making fans spend hours trying to get tickets to a concert.

given2trade wrote:The last decent (debatable) album was Riot Act in 2003.

You lost me here . . .

You know what is bullshit? That it took this whole debacle to get Matty posting around here again. Hey dude!

given2trade wrote:

stip wrote:

given2trade wrote:

stip wrote:

given2trade wrote:

stip wrote:Seniority still means you get the best seats available

I think Pearl Jam could be found to have kidnapped the members of Creed and kept them in a dungeon for 10 years and you'd still figure out a way to spin it.

As a favor to music fans?

people should actually bitch about real things. If pj got rid of priority seating for fan club members that would be a huge deal. Seniority gets you the best seats available as a favor to long standing members. It still does. But a fan club is not some feudal aristocracy whose primary purpose is maximizing the privelage of senior members over everyone else. If the ga seats were open to a general audience that would be much lamer. But it just for 10c members.

I wasn't referring to just the Pit GA issue. I'm not even that critical of it. Shit, I haven't been that critical of anything that's happened the last few days. Cheap tickets, lottery system, and a tour. Sounds ok to me.

You can find a way to defend everything Pearl Jam and 10 Club though. Sometimes you'll take the antagonistic side only to then brush it off to "see the larger picture". I chalk to up to your "co-ownership" of Pearl Jam via being a mod here. You feel them.

Most of the things people bitch about here aren't worth bitching about, or get blown out of proportion due to the group think mentality you can get on a message board. It's not that I'm interested in defending everything pearl jam or 10c does. It's just that too much of the criticism here is either whining or self-righteous bullshit.

Stip, in the last 6-10 years Pearl Jam is:

2 shitty albums
10 Club has been an abomination of a fan club
Barely toured
Been sponsored by Target and Oracle amongst others; the same band that had audacity to put out posters with the phrase "sponsored by no one" when they were worth 1/100th the amount of money they are worth now.

Basically, the band has half assed it for almost a decade. There is very little to defend. In the pro/con list, the cons far outweigh the pros, which basically consist of everything they did from 1991-2003.

As I said in some other thread brah, you're in desperate need of a new schtick. This shit is myopic beyond repair. It's so tired to say this but here goes - if you are filled with this much vitriol for them it's really time to move on. Broken record and all that. WE GET IT. PEARL JAM DEFILED YOUR MOTHER. LOCK PEARL JAM UP IN TARGET PRISON.

What if we all said we agreed with you that Pearl Jam is the Great Satan of the last decade? Would this give you closure?

If that doesn't I have something that will:



Then, if I were Sgt. Crackpot I'd throw in a gif of "Why So Serious?" here but that's hard.

So is it fair to assume that 10c will consider the "wings" on the side of the pit as "better" than the back half of the floor? I've got a pretty low number (joined in '98) and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I don't wind up way in the back if they consider all of the floor as "premium" seating.

How has this worked at the few shows that they've played more recently with a GA pit?

lukin321(2) wrote:So is it fair to assume that 10c will consider the "wings" on the side of the pit as "better" than the back half of the floor? I've got a pretty low number (joined in '98) and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I don't wind up way in the back if they consider all of the floor as "premium" seating.

How has this worked at the few shows that they've played more recently with a GA pit?

good question that i have no clue what the answer be.

Angus wrote:

Scott wrote:This confirms my belief that they truly are sick and tired of seeing he same damn people up front.....let those fuckers get trampled!

Are we over this or is this still too sensitive?

talkin' 'bout...

given2trade wrote:
2) Ticket prices are surprisingly low. That was unexpected.

This. They've been trending towards 100 bucks a pop and was pleasantly surprised with the prices this time around.

McParadigm wrote:The important thing is that this, like all problems everywhere in the world, would be solved if Pearl Jam would just listen to me and stop playing live. Go make a shit ton of records. Stop rolling your shrinking stones.

I'm going to start consulting you on every issue I ever have.

numbers wrote:

Self wrote:

B wrote:I'd like to think the fact that the GA is limited to 10C members might make it a little more civilized, but to be totally honest, I usually don't pay much attention to who's around me at these shows. I feel like I would know if someone had been all that obnoxious or drunk in the 10C seats.

You can sit next to me in "Worchester," B.

It's so fucking weird that they are playing Worcester.

It really is. I don't understand it.

given2trade wrote:

stip wrote:

given2trade wrote:

stip wrote:

given2trade wrote:

stip wrote:Seniority still means you get the best seats available

I think Pearl Jam could be found to have kidnapped the members of Creed and kept them in a dungeon for 10 years and you'd still figure out a way to spin it.

As a favor to music fans?

people should actually bitch about real things. If pj got rid of priority seating for fan club members that would be a huge deal. Seniority gets you the best seats available as a favor to long standing members. It still does. But a fan club is not some feudal aristocracy whose primary purpose is maximizing the privelage of senior members over everyone else. If the ga seats were open to a general audience that would be much lamer. But it just for 10c members.

I wasn't referring to just the Pit GA issue. I'm not even that critical of it. Shit, I haven't been that critical of anything that's happened the last few days. Cheap tickets, lottery system, and a tour. Sounds ok to me.

You can find a way to defend everything Pearl Jam and 10 Club though. Sometimes you'll take the antagonistic side only to then brush it off to "see the larger picture". I chalk to up to your "co-ownership" of Pearl Jam via being a mod here. You feel them.

Most of the things people bitch about here aren't worth bitching about, or get blown out of proportion due to the group think mentality you can get on a message board. It's not that I'm interested in defending everything pearl jam or 10c does. It's just that too much of the criticism here is either whining or self-righteous bullshit.

Stip, in the last 6-10 years Pearl Jam is:

2 shitty albums
10 Club has been an abomination of a fan club
Barely toured
Been sponsored by Target and Oracle amongst others; the same band that had audacity to put out posters with the phrase "sponsored by no one" when they were worth 1/100th the amount of money they are worth now.

Basically, the band has half assed it for almost a decade. There is very little to defend. In the pro/con list, the cons far outweigh the pros, which basically consist of everything they did from 1991-2003.

This. On their own, each individual thing we bitch about isn't that huge a deal. It's a cumulative effect that sucks.

Sort of applies to the lottery system and all the accompanying bitching

stip wrote:Barely toured

yeah, I wish they toured more. I wish they recorded more too. They're not nearly as prolific as I'd like them to be.


Been sponsored by Target and Oracle amongst others; the same band that had audacity to put out posters with the phrase "sponsored by no one" when they were worth 1/100th the amount of money they are worth now. :

Yeah, I think this is really kinda stupid (the critique). I've railed about this a million times. When you start to unpack it this critique is pretty superficial, unless you are a teenage punk rocker in love with meaningless notions of authenticity.

There may be some bands that tour more, but there can't be very many bands that tour or record prolifically 20+ years after the start of their career. Do I wish I had more Pearl Jam music? Sure. Am I surprised that it doesn't come as often? No.

As for the 2 shitty albums. A quick look at the album ranking thread will tell you that's far from settled law. Personally, I dislike Binaural and Riot Act and think the last two albums were moving more in a direction I like. Of course, some of that is that they were political, and thus dated. I'm not furious about the times of political issues addressed in Binaural - Pearl Jam so my interest in those albums has waned over time. Prior to that, and with Backspacer, emotions anchor the albums, and emotions never go away.

given2trade wrote: ..... making fans spend hours trying to get tickets to a concert.

Now they just spending hours agonizing over how to game a system that is not at all transparent and then have to sit and wait a week to know if they were lucky enough to get "randomly" selected.


Remember the Ticketmaster presale for Canada a few years back? That's how it should be done. In and out, 5 minutes, no crashes, no waiting, no burden on the 10 club staff and infrastructure, no problems.

lukin321(2) wrote:So is it fair to assume that 10c will consider the "wings" on the side of the pit as "better" than the back half of the floor? I've got a pretty low number (joined in '98) and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I don't wind up way in the back if they consider all of the floor as "premium" seating.

How has this worked at the few shows that they've played more recently with a GA pit?

That's my hope, but we really won't know till after this tour. If the put all of us on the floor behind GA with good side seats available then we may take our chances with the public sale on the next tour