Are you not not going to watch the Oscars this year?

[Ms Harmless]

OK what he did was bad but not because of the sanctity of live TV

absolutely right

"unprofessional"? well of course; appearing on TV has its protocols

I'm just really anti- the notion that breaking those protocols for a just reason in a moment of passion should equate to moral depravity or some shit

somebody was smacked on the cheek, someone who wasn't even hurt by it; it wasn't Joker opening fire on a talk show

Me, ms harmless and warehouse. An odd RM alliance that has never existed before and one that I'm not sure has an agenda or purpose beyond this thread.

Prepare for battle, mosquito swarm.

let's all hug non-violently

[warehouse]

OK what he did was bad but not because of the sanctity of live TV

absolutely right

"unprofessional"? well of course; appearing on TV has its protocols

I'm just really anti- the notion that breaking those protocols for a just reason in a moment of passion should equate to moral depravity or some shit

somebody was smacked on the cheek, someone who wasn't even hurt by it; it wasn't Joker opening fire on a talk show

Me, ms harmless and warehouse. An odd RM alliance that has never existed before and one that I'm not sure has an agenda or purpose beyond this thread.

Prepare for battle, mosquito swarm.

let's all hug non-violently

[washing machine]

You guys will win because at some point you'll just give up on reasonable debate and start hitting us

Like I noted earlier, I'm much too wimpy to ever to that.

[The Argonaut]

It's not like Rock said he hates bald people. He said "your hair right now looks like the hot girl from that one movie". LOL

the joke communicated something deeply hurtful; he got a smack for it; I don't care what secret feelings he has in his heart for chronically ill (not just bald) people; if he respects them, that should be written into his shitty routines

Hitting is bad

telling jokes against disabled and chronically ill Black women and shaming them in front of a largely white crowd is just as bad, but we excuse hateful comedy as "freedom of speech"; I'm calling this reaction from Will "audience banter" and I thought it was hilarious; I also thought Chris Rock is in a much, much better social position to take what was dished out to him

it's worth noting here that I'm not an "anti-violence" person in the sense that a lot of people would wish I was; I don't think all violence is created equal, and if this wasn't staged (I don't think it was, but I'm allowing for the possibility) then I'm calling it resistance and consequence

so you're just beyond reason. "audience banter"? "hilarious?" Will Smith had every justification to stand up and yell at Chris Rock. Or to storm out and give a bunch of interviews about how Rock is an asshole. But hitting people is bad. And very dangerous.

[Mickey]

Reading Will Smith smacking Chris Rock as "resistance" is exactly the sort of pigeon-brain take you end up with when you discount how much money someone makes.

[Ms Harmless]

I don't know who I told to shut the fuck up btw but that was wasted energy and I apologise if it was you

there's so much bullshit being said about this little incident and it got to me; but again, this wasn't the one, I should be saving that energy for a big deal

[warehouse]

it was an open hand slap. if will smith wanted to hurt chris rock, he would have.

[Ms Harmless]

Reading Will Smith smacking Chris Rock as "resistance" is exactly the sort of pigeon-brain take you end up with when you discount how much money someone makes.

why? there are many issues here about power dynamics beyond rich and poor; I don't stop caring about ableism when a target has money

[tree_]

Please tell me how Jada Pinkett Smith is chronically ill with her balding

[Ms Harmless]

It's not like Rock said he hates bald people. He said "your hair right now looks like the hot girl from that one movie". LOL

the joke communicated something deeply hurtful; he got a smack for it; I don't care what secret feelings he has in his heart for chronically ill (not just bald) people; if he respects them, that should be written into his shitty routines

Hitting is bad

telling jokes against disabled and chronically ill Black women and shaming them in front of a largely white crowd is just as bad, but we excuse hateful comedy as "freedom of speech"; I'm calling this reaction from Will "audience banter" and I thought it was hilarious; I also thought Chris Rock is in a much, much better social position to take what was dished out to him

it's worth noting here that I'm not an "anti-violence" person in the sense that a lot of people would wish I was; I don't think all violence is created equal, and if this wasn't staged (I don't think it was, but I'm allowing for the possibility) then I'm calling it resistance and consequence

so you're just beyond reason. "audience banter"? "hilarious?" Will Smith had every justification to stand up and yell at Chris Rock. Or to storm out and give a bunch of interviews about how Rock is an asshole. But hitting people is bad. And very dangerous.

that's a deeply silly take, the kind of thing you'd say to a child on the playground, and I think you know it; Will Smith has a big head on his shoulders and so does Chris Rock and they'll both be completely fine; Chris was left without as much as a scratch

[Rob]

telling jokes against disabled and chronically ill Black women and shaming them in front of a largely white crowd is just as bad,

Seen a few people bring up race, and I'm not sure why. Chris Rock is black.

I personally don't know how I feel about it. Will Smith acted like a child, should be embarrassed. But I could never be mad at that dude. And he's been incredibly weird for quite a while now. Also, Chris Rock took it like a man, kudos to him. He certainly didn't deserve it, but barely reacted.

[Ms Harmless]

if you think "reasoning" is not something I'm literally doing in this thread I've got nothing more to say to you, but a difference of opinion is not a "lack of reason"

[Mickey]

Reading Will Smith smacking Chris Rock as "resistance" is exactly the sort of pigeon-brain take you end up with when you discount how much money someone makes.

why? there are many issues here about power dynamics beyond rich and poor; I don't stop caring about ableism when a target has money

Because you have abstracted from the material context in order to find an object lesson for your particular interests, one which is not reflected in the situation as a whole in any meaningful way.

[warehouse]

telling jokes against disabled and chronically ill Black women and shaming them in front of a largely white crowd is just as bad,

Seen a few people bring up race, and I'm not sure why. Chris Rock is black.

I personally don't know how I feel about it. Will Smith acted like a child, should be embarrassed. But I could never be mad at that dude. And he's been incredibly weird for quite a while now. Also, Chris Rock took it like a man, kudos to him. He certainly didn't deserve it, but barely reacted.

black guys can still insults black women about their hair.

[tree_]

if you think "reasoning" is not something I'm literally doing in this thread I've got nothing more to say to you, but a difference of opinion is not a "lack of reason"

Your reasoning is not based on reality, it’s based on silly theories

[Ms Harmless]

telling jokes against disabled and chronically ill Black women and shaming them in front of a largely white crowd is just as bad,

Seen a few people bring up race, and I'm not sure why. Chris Rock is black.

I personally don't know how I feel about it. Will Smith acted like a child, should be embarrassed. But I could never be mad at that dude. And he's been incredibly weird for quite a while now. Also, Chris Rock took it like a man, kudos to him. He certainly didn't deserve it, but barely reacted.

Chris Rock has recently presented a Netflix documentary about Black hair, and misogynoire (sexism + anti-Blackness) based, amongst other things, on Black hair, and historical racist stigmas against it; he should have KNOWN it was out of order to say what he did; so I'm not calling him "racist", but I am calling him tone-deaf; and because he is a Black man and she is a Black woman, there are additional issues than if these had been two white people; I don't think Chris is "racist" for this, but for Jada, there was definitely a racial aspect to what was joked about

[tree_]

If there is no shame in losing one’s hair, which there shouldn’t be, then there is nothing inherently insulting about pointing out your hair and comparing it to another hot woman with the same hair length.

[bada]

The question has been raised that if The Rock had made that joke instead of Chris Rock would Will have smacked him?

[Mickey]

The question has been raised that if The Rock had made that joke instead of Chris Rock would Will have smacked him?

If this was about resistance to ableism and not just ego-driven madness then I hope Will Smith would have summoned the courage to confront a bully no matter how muscle-bound his form.

[Ms Harmless]

if you think "reasoning" is not something I'm literally doing in this thread I've got nothing more to say to you, but a difference of opinion is not a "lack of reason"

Your reasoning is not based on reality, it’s based on silly theories

"reason" is theory; and "silly" is subjective

you think any of us is in the position to go out and test our arguments and hypotheses here? absolute not; but some of us accept that we have feelings and opinions on the matter based on experience and exposure to ideas and experiences; others of us are deeply brainwashed into thinking we have the objective truth on everything