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Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:44 pm
by Ms Harmless
washing machine wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:Jorge wrote:OK what he did was bad but not because of the sanctity of live TV
absolutely right
"unprofessional"? well of course; appearing on TV has its protocols
I'm just really anti- the notion that breaking those protocols for a just reason in a moment of passion should equate to moral depravity or some shit
somebody was smacked on the cheek, someone who wasn't even hurt by it; it wasn't Joker opening fire on a talk show
Me, ms harmless and warehouse. An odd RM alliance that has never existed before and one that I'm not sure has an agenda or purpose beyond this thread.
Prepare for battle, mosquito swarm.
let's all hug non-violently
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:45 pm
by warehouse
Ms Harmless wrote:washing machine wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:Jorge wrote:OK what he did was bad but not because of the sanctity of live TV
absolutely right
"unprofessional"? well of course; appearing on TV has its protocols
I'm just really anti- the notion that breaking those protocols for a just reason in a moment of passion should equate to moral depravity or some shit
somebody was smacked on the cheek, someone who wasn't even hurt by it; it wasn't Joker opening fire on a talk show
Me, ms harmless and warehouse. An odd RM alliance that has never existed before and one that I'm not sure has an agenda or purpose beyond this thread.
Prepare for battle, mosquito swarm.
let's all hug non-violently
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:45 pm
by washing machine
The Argonaut wrote:You guys will win because at some point you'll just give up on reasonable debate and start hitting us
Like I noted earlier, I'm much too wimpy to ever to that.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:46 pm
by The Argonaut
Ms Harmless wrote:The Argonaut wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:tree_ wrote:It's not like Rock said he hates bald people. He said "your hair right now looks like the hot girl from that one movie". LOL
the joke communicated something deeply hurtful; he got a smack for it; I don't care what secret feelings he has in his heart for chronically ill (not just bald) people; if he respects them, that should be written into his shitty routines
Hitting is bad
telling jokes against disabled and chronically ill Black women and shaming them in front of a largely white crowd is just as bad, but we excuse hateful comedy as "freedom of speech"; I'm calling this reaction from Will "audience banter" and I thought it was hilarious; I also thought Chris Rock is in a much, much better social position to take what was dished out to him
it's worth noting here that I'm not an "anti-violence" person in the sense that a lot of people would wish I was; I don't think all violence is created equal, and if this wasn't staged (I don't think it was, but I'm allowing for the possibility) then I'm calling it resistance and consequence
so you're just beyond reason. "audience banter"? "hilarious?" Will Smith had every justification to stand up and yell at Chris Rock. Or to storm out and give a bunch of interviews about how Rock is an asshole. But hitting people is bad. And very dangerous.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:46 pm
by Mickey
Reading Will Smith smacking Chris Rock as "resistance" is exactly the sort of pigeon-brain take you end up with when you discount how much money someone makes.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:46 pm
by Ms Harmless
I don't know who I told to shut the fuck up btw but that was wasted energy and I apologise if it was you
there's so much bullshit being said about this little incident and it got to me; but again, this wasn't the one, I should be saving that energy for a big deal
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:47 pm
by warehouse
it was an open hand slap. if will smith wanted to hurt chris rock, he would have.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:48 pm
by Ms Harmless
Mickey wrote:Reading Will Smith smacking Chris Rock as "resistance" is exactly the sort of pigeon-brain take you end up with when you discount how much money someone makes.
why? there are many issues here about power dynamics beyond rich and poor; I don't stop caring about ableism when a target has money
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:49 pm
by tree_
Please tell me how Jada Pinkett Smith is chronically ill with her balding
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:51 pm
by Ms Harmless
The Argonaut wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:The Argonaut wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:tree_ wrote:It's not like Rock said he hates bald people. He said "your hair right now looks like the hot girl from that one movie". LOL
the joke communicated something deeply hurtful; he got a smack for it; I don't care what secret feelings he has in his heart for chronically ill (not just bald) people; if he respects them, that should be written into his shitty routines
Hitting is bad
telling jokes against disabled and chronically ill Black women and shaming them in front of a largely white crowd is just as bad, but we excuse hateful comedy as "freedom of speech"; I'm calling this reaction from Will "audience banter" and I thought it was hilarious; I also thought Chris Rock is in a much, much better social position to take what was dished out to him
it's worth noting here that I'm not an "anti-violence" person in the sense that a lot of people would wish I was; I don't think all violence is created equal, and if this wasn't staged (I don't think it was, but I'm allowing for the possibility) then I'm calling it resistance and consequence
so you're just beyond reason. "audience banter"? "hilarious?" Will Smith had every justification to stand up and yell at Chris Rock. Or to storm out and give a bunch of interviews about how Rock is an asshole. But hitting people is bad. And very dangerous.
that's a deeply silly take, the kind of thing you'd say to a child on the playground, and I think you know it; Will Smith has a big head on his shoulders and so does Chris Rock and they'll both be completely fine; Chris was left without as much as a scratch
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:52 pm
by Rob
Ms Harmless wrote:
telling jokes against disabled and chronically ill Black women and shaming them in front of a largely white crowd is just as bad,
Seen a few people bring up race, and I'm not sure why. Chris Rock is black.
I personally don't know how I feel about it. Will Smith acted like a child, should be embarrassed. But I could never be mad at that dude. And he's been incredibly weird for quite a while now. Also, Chris Rock took it like a man, kudos to him. He certainly didn't deserve it, but barely reacted.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:52 pm
by Ms Harmless
if you think "reasoning" is not something I'm literally doing in this thread I've got nothing more to say to you, but a difference of opinion is not a "lack of reason"
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:54 pm
by Mickey
Ms Harmless wrote:Mickey wrote:Reading Will Smith smacking Chris Rock as "resistance" is exactly the sort of pigeon-brain take you end up with when you discount how much money someone makes.
why? there are many issues here about power dynamics beyond rich and poor; I don't stop caring about ableism when a target has money
Because you have abstracted from the material context in order to find an object lesson for your particular interests, one which is not reflected in the situation as a whole in any meaningful way.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:55 pm
by warehouse
Rob wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:
telling jokes against disabled and chronically ill Black women and shaming them in front of a largely white crowd is just as bad,
Seen a few people bring up race, and I'm not sure why. Chris Rock is black.
I personally don't know how I feel about it. Will Smith acted like a child, should be embarrassed. But I could never be mad at that dude. And he's been incredibly weird for quite a while now. Also, Chris Rock took it like a man, kudos to him. He certainly didn't deserve it, but barely reacted.
black guys can still insults black women about their hair.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:58 pm
by tree_
Ms Harmless wrote:if you think "reasoning" is not something I'm literally doing in this thread I've got nothing more to say to you, but a difference of opinion is not a "lack of reason"
Your reasoning is not based on reality, it’s based on silly theories
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 4:59 pm
by Ms Harmless
Rob wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:
telling jokes against disabled and chronically ill Black women and shaming them in front of a largely white crowd is just as bad,
Seen a few people bring up race, and I'm not sure why. Chris Rock is black.
I personally don't know how I feel about it. Will Smith acted like a child, should be embarrassed. But I could never be mad at that dude. And he's been incredibly weird for quite a while now. Also, Chris Rock took it like a man, kudos to him. He certainly didn't deserve it, but barely reacted.
Chris Rock has recently presented a Netflix documentary about Black hair, and misogynoire (sexism + anti-Blackness) based, amongst other things, on Black hair, and historical racist stigmas against it; he should have KNOWN it was out of order to say what he did; so I'm not calling him "racist", but I am calling him tone-deaf; and because he is a Black man and she is a Black woman, there are additional issues than if these had been two white people; I don't think Chris is "racist" for this, but for Jada, there was definitely a racial aspect to what was joked about
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 5:00 pm
by tree_
If there is no shame in losing one’s hair, which there shouldn’t be, then there is nothing inherently insulting about pointing out your hair and comparing it to another hot woman with the same hair length.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 5:02 pm
by bada
The question has been raised that if The Rock had made that joke instead of Chris Rock would Will have smacked him?
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 5:04 pm
by Mickey
bada wrote:The question has been raised that if The Rock had made that joke instead of Chris Rock would Will have smacked him?
If this was about resistance to ableism and not just ego-driven madness then I hope Will Smith would have summoned the courage to confront a bully no matter how muscle-bound his form.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Mon March 28, 2022 5:04 pm
by Ms Harmless
tree_ wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:if you think "reasoning" is not something I'm literally doing in this thread I've got nothing more to say to you, but a difference of opinion is not a "lack of reason"
Your reasoning is not based on reality, it’s based on silly theories
"reason" is theory; and "silly" is subjective
you think any of us is in the position to go out and test our arguments and hypotheses here? absolute not; but some of us accept that we have feelings and opinions on the matter based on experience and exposure to ideas and experiences; others of us are deeply brainwashed into thinking we have the objective truth on everything