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Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Tue November 21, 2023 3:07 am
by 96583UP
every time i see this thread i think it says 'box office balki' and then instead it is just stupid 'talk!'
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Sat November 25, 2023 7:16 pm
by BurtReynolds
Hunger Games still numba 1.
Napoleon and Wish are fighting for second. Napoleon over performing a bit. Wish underperforming by a bit more.
Sounds like a pretty weak thanksgiving box office.
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Sun December 03, 2023 9:14 pm
by BurtReynolds
Another music video wins (beyonce)
Hunger Games in 2nd.
Godzilla surprises at number 3.
Wish and Napoleon both fall hard (and deservedly so.)
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Tue December 05, 2023 6:48 pm
by BurtReynolds
Might be an overly harsh estimate, but probably not by much.
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Tue December 05, 2023 7:29 pm
by Farmer John
Don't worry, they've got a solution:
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Tue December 05, 2023 7:42 pm
by VinylGuy
the new model is putting them on disney + so you can see them at the theatre later.
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Tue December 05, 2023 7:42 pm
by VinylGuy
They are also discussing breaking into people's houses and just get their money.
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Wed December 06, 2023 9:24 am
by Anders
That seems weird.
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Wed December 06, 2023 11:55 am
by daft twat
BurtReynolds wrote:
Might be an overly harsh estimate, but probably not by much.
Mermaid grossed $570 million. You’re telling me it cost $685 million to produce, distribute, and promote? That’s insane.
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Wed December 06, 2023 12:12 pm
by wease
Water ain’t cheap, twat.
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Wed December 06, 2023 1:18 pm
by BurtReynolds
daft twat wrote:BurtReynolds wrote:
Might be an overly harsh estimate, but probably not by much.
Mermaid grossed $570 million. You’re telling me it cost $685 million to produce, distribute, and promote? That’s insane.
It had a ridiculous 300million budget. Plus around 150 million for marketing, and the theater cut (which can vary a lot). So yeah, it would need a lot to break even.
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Wed December 06, 2023 3:59 pm
by Jorge
The usual formula to calculate profitability is to multiply the disclosed production cost by 2.5
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Wed December 06, 2023 4:07 pm
by bada
BurtReynolds wrote:daft twat wrote:BurtReynolds wrote:
Might be an overly harsh estimate, but probably not by much.
Mermaid grossed $570 million. You’re telling me it cost $685 million to produce, distribute, and promote? That’s insane.
It had a ridiculous 300million budget. Plus around 150 million for marketing, and the
theater cut (which can vary a lot). So yeah, it would need a lot to break even.
Yes what most people don't take in to account is that the studio doesn't get all the money the exhibiters take around half and international substantially more than half. The China numbers are mostly for looks they are lucky to see any of that money.
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Wed December 06, 2023 4:26 pm
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Wed December 06, 2023 5:19 pm
by spike
tragabigzanda wrote:Honest question: Has the distribution marketplace shifted such that the timelines for recoup should be stretched out? Is today's Little Mermaid loss ultimately a net profit once you factor in streaming rentals and added subs? That would be a lot like the music industry where successful new artists typically take a couple album cycles to recoup.
Yes, they’re all just ads for merch anyway. The first Frozen came out eleven years ago and that crap is still everywhere. ASK ME HOW I KNOW.
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Wed December 06, 2023 5:40 pm
by CopperTom
spike wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:Honest question: Has the distribution marketplace shifted such that the timelines for recoup should be stretched out? Is today's Little Mermaid loss ultimately a net profit once you factor in streaming rentals and added subs? That would be a lot like the music industry where successful new artists typically take a couple album cycles to recoup.
Yes, they’re all just ads for merch anyway. The first Frozen came out eleven years ago and that crap is still everywhere. ASK ME HOW I KNOW.
Let it go, man
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Wed December 06, 2023 5:45 pm
by BurtReynolds
I wonder if it's possible to track merchandise sales and licensing.
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Wed December 06, 2023 5:47 pm
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Wed December 06, 2023 5:52 pm
by spike
Estimates that, since first released, Frozen has made over 5 BIL in merch, and Cars 10 BIL.
So Disney will keep churning out movie ads hoping to strike that gold again.
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Wed December 06, 2023 5:53 pm
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.