Red Mosquito

Iprefertheiroldstuff wrote:

Mike wrote:They have a neo-nazi background (their singer played in a band called Kaiserjäger)

I was of the understanding that the vast majority of Germans wouldn't stand for this. How do they get air time/promoted/book tours?

They're denying to have a neo-nazi background and are saying that they're really just patriots. The singer about his time in Kaiserjäger: "Burger explained his engagement with Kaiserjäger as a youth folly, in a time where he was seeking rebellion." Their fans don't agree with the neo-nazi accusations. It's something that's discussed over and over again here in germany. Even if they're no neo-nazis, they're still huge idiots with extremely stupid lyrics and horrendous music.
I'd say the majority of Germany hates them but there are enough people to make them really famous.

http://www.dw.de/echo-nomination-withdr ... a-16658748
Other german bands don't even want to be nominated for the same price as them.

Iprefertheiroldstuff wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:This is the saddest RM conversation I've seen in a while

Have a beer and quit being such a fag, bro.

You guys are just spending a lot of time and effort on the minutiae of Nickelback hate is all

Lament wrote:What's amusing to me is that the people who most passionately and vocally hate them are usually people who like stuff that, in the grand scheme of things, isn't all the different from them (Foo Fighters, Pearl Jam, etc.)

This actually isn't surprising at all -- it makes a lot of sense that people would be inclined to hate what they see as a lowbrow desecration of a type of music they really like more than they would an analogous band from a genre that doesn't interest them. And anyway I don't think it's the superficial style of Nickelback's music that people respond to so much as the specific character of it: Lots of artists (mainly in 80's metal and, more recently, commercial country music -- the two genres that are probably Nickelback's closest spiritual relatives) have made careers writing crass, brutally literal uptempo songs about partying, and heavy syrupy ballads that present sentimental cliches as though they're life-altering epiphanies. However, Nickelback were not big-haired clowns in eyeliner and spandex, or redneck alpha males who sound like they were born in a barn and don't know better; they were, strictly in terms of their musical character, lineal descendants of "hurr durr" -- humorless, overly serious, exaggeratedly masculine "regular guys." These musical and lyrical traits do not go well together. Hearing Nickelback makes me think of some sweaty troglodyte who can barely string together a sentence coming up and farting in my face and then taking the girl of my dreams to the prom. Musically they're no worse than Daughtry or Creed or whoever else -- but ideologically they make me remember all the times when I felt like the world belonged exclusively to idiots and douchebags, and then they frame that moment as an ever-present reality. They were dreadful beyond words, they were difficult to avoid (even if you never listened to the radio, you would hear them in stores, restaurants, offices -- quite often if you happened to work in one of those places), I hope they never produce another piece of music as long as they live, and I consider the undying hatred for them from people of even marginal taste despite their decreased prominence to be a small moral victory for modern society, lest their return appear imminent.

As you grow older, the idea of "hating" a rock band seems silly; when you're young, the bands you hate are as integral to your tastes as the bands you like, and kids often have "archnemesis"-type bands (usually the bands that espouse the opposite of whatever values the bands they admire do) the same way they have favorite ones. But the fact that Nickelback inspires such a strong reaction from so many people -- and, perhaps more specifically, the same type of strong reaction -- never ceases to be interesting to me. It also doesn't mean that the reaction is necessarily disingenuous in each specific instance.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Iprefertheiroldstuff wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:This is the saddest RM conversation I've seen in a while

Have a beer and quit being such a fag, bro.

You guys are just spending a lot of time and effort on the minutiae of Nickelback hate is all

It's way more interesting than what usually gets discussed here on a daily basis.

I never paid attention to that song's lyrics before, beyond the opening couplet.

It's really bad

Look at this photograph
Every time I do it makes me laugh
How did our eyes get so red?
And what the hell is on Joey's head?

Mike wrote:

Iprefertheiroldstuff wrote: While we're on the topic, would anyone like to throw their hat in the ring and name their least favorite recording artist of all time? There are no wrong answers.

Time to be ashamed for my country.

They have a neo-nazi background (their singer played in a band called Kaiserjäger), make atrocious music and managed to sell over 100k copies of their last three albums with two of them being at number one in the german album charts. They also play mostly in the biggest arenas in every city they go to. One of the biggest bands in germany while being pretty much the worst band at the same time.

I used to be way into Wizo. Were they nazis too?

I think Wizo were the opposites of Nazis.

Strat wrote:

Yes! Love this. The poor school

BigRedLedbetter wrote:

Strat wrote:

Yes! Love this. The poor school

I grew up with those two. The singer is/was a good friend of mine. its even funnier when you know everyone he is talking about. I also touched Michelle andersons boob

Strat wrote:

BigRedLedbetter wrote:

Strat wrote:

Yes! Love this. The poor school

I grew up with those two. The singer is/was a good friend of mine. its even funnier when you know everyone he is talking about. I also touched Michelle andersons boob

I guess you could say you touched a 14 year old's booooooooooob.

theplatypus wrote:I never paid attention to that song's lyrics before, beyond the opening couplet.

It's really bad

Look at this photograph
Every time I do it makes me laugh
How did our eyes get so red?
And what the hell is on Joey's head?

i love this so much

lennytheweedwhacker wrote:

theplatypus wrote:I never paid attention to that song's lyrics before, beyond the opening couplet.

It's really bad

Look at this photograph
Every time I do it makes me laugh
How did our eyes get so red?
And what the hell is on Joey's head?

i love this so much

I always got the feeling that whoever wrote Nickelback songs also wrote shitty modern radio country songs. It's the same kind of bullshit.

Kaius wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

Kaius wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

Kaius wrote:Communist Daughter is such a powerful little interlude between Holland, 1945 and Oh, Comely. The bass is spine tingling.

I agree.

Shut up.

Go fuck yourself.

My brother-in-law and his wife genuinely like Nickelback, amongst all their other bad tastes.

Kevin Davis wrote:As you grow older, the idea of "hating" a rock band seems silly; when you're young, the bands you hate are as integral to your tastes as the bands you like, and kids often have "archnemesis"-type bands (usually the bands that espouse the opposite of whatever values the bands they admire do) the same way they have favorite ones. But the fact that Nickelback inspires such a strong reaction from so many people -- and, perhaps more specifically, the same type of strong reaction -- never ceases to be interesting to me. It also doesn't mean that the reaction is necessarily disingenuous in each specific instance.

The funny thing is you don't really hear anyone in the business say anything bad about Nickelback. Matt's worked with Chad and not said anything bad. Who fans like and hate always seems odd to me. Ben from Soundgarden just seems like a very difficult person, if not asshole and that's from those who know and work with him. Yet fans will say he's great. Then Chad from Nickelback, who doesn't have anyone who's worked with him or knows him have a single bad thing to say about and some people who don't know him act like he's musical evil incarnate. His crime, he makes poppy music and chases a popular sound. Or is it that he's dumbed down dumb music somehow? Yet there's a thread on here adulating Taylor Swift.

You're confusing musical output with personality, which I find to be a strange oversight.

Where I give Nickelback credit is that I've never read anything where they are proclaiming to be deep, thought-provoking, artistic musicians. They're here to make a lot of money, and they don't hide the fact. I respect that more than them trying to portray a persona that goes against that. Nothing wrong with coming into the game as a sellout and sticking with it. It's an avenue that might be looked down upon, but someone in the rock genre needed to fill it so it could be shilled to the masses.