Red Mosquito

she didnt know the vale was coming

Mecca wrote:she didnt know the vale was coming

we don't know that.

Someone on reddit also pointed out this subtle maybe mirroring/pattern: there are three people who were most responsible for the Red Wedding, and they were Tywin, Roose, and the Late Walder Frey. Two of those three have come ignominious ends--it seems that due to their disrespect of guest right, Tywin and Roose were both killed by their sons. Could Walder be the third? One reddit theorist wonders if Arya will slip to the Twins before heading to Winterfell, maybe steal the face of one of the Frey sons who've been highlighted this season, and then give Walder the business.

BurtReynolds wrote:

The Argonaut wrote:Ramsay told Sansa that she could never kill him because he is part of her now. I'd be sad to see Sansa turn into a manipulative Jon-betraying badguy. Her arc has been a tortured and twisted one, but it's generally moved in the direction of goodness and maturity to this point. It'd be sad to see her lose that.

I think they'll argue and differ on a lot of things, but I don't see her turning evil or outright betraying him.

Team Burt. I imagine their relationship will sort of be on the same level as Ned and Stannis's (even though they never met in the pages of the books or on the show): respect for what the other has been through, but not warm and loving.

It will be interesting to see how Sansa and Aria interact if they ever come together. They still probably don't like each other very much.

So Jon literally asks Sansa what he should do and she tells him shes not a warrior and makes no mention of the giant fucking army that might be on the way? Hey Jon, I sent a letter about a week ago, and Littlefinger has a car. Lets just wait a bit

Simple Torture wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

The Argonaut wrote:Ramsay told Sansa that she could never kill him because he is part of her now. I'd be sad to see Sansa turn into a manipulative Jon-betraying badguy. Her arc has been a tortured and twisted one, but it's generally moved in the direction of goodness and maturity to this point. It'd be sad to see her lose that.

I think they'll argue and differ on a lot of things, but I don't see her turning evil or outright betraying him.

Team Burt. I imagine their relationship will sort of be on the same level as Ned and Stannis's (even though they never met in the pages of the books or on the show): respect for what the other has been through, but not warm and loving.

wasn't Stannis on robert's small council in the books as master of ships?

Mecca wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

The Argonaut wrote:Ramsay told Sansa that she could never kill him because he is part of her now. I'd be sad to see Sansa turn into a manipulative Jon-betraying badguy. Her arc has been a tortured and twisted one, but it's generally moved in the direction of goodness and maturity to this point. It'd be sad to see her lose that.

I think they'll argue and differ on a lot of things, but I don't see her turning evil or outright betraying him.

Team Burt. I imagine their relationship will sort of be on the same level as Ned and Stannis's (even though they never met in the pages of the books or on the show): respect for what the other has been through, but not warm and loving.

wasn't Stannis on robert's small council in the books as master of ships?

I believe he was in the show too.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

Mecca wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

The Argonaut wrote:Ramsay told Sansa that she could never kill him because he is part of her now. I'd be sad to see Sansa turn into a manipulative Jon-betraying badguy. Her arc has been a tortured and twisted one, but it's generally moved in the direction of goodness and maturity to this point. It'd be sad to see her lose that.

I think they'll argue and differ on a lot of things, but I don't see her turning evil or outright betraying him.

Team Burt. I imagine their relationship will sort of be on the same level as Ned and Stannis's (even though they never met in the pages of the books or on the show): respect for what the other has been through, but not warm and loving.

wasn't Stannis on robert's small council in the books as master of ships?

I believe he was in the show too.

Yes, but when Ned arrived in King's Landing, Stannis had retreated to Dragonstone--he knew what Jon Aryn had discovered about the bastards/the queen's children, and he was trying to decide what to do next. I'm re-reading AGOT now but I'm preeeeeetty sure they don't meet in the books (although they had, of course, met in the past).

Simple Torture wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

Mecca wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

The Argonaut wrote:Ramsay told Sansa that she could never kill him because he is part of her now. I'd be sad to see Sansa turn into a manipulative Jon-betraying badguy. Her arc has been a tortured and twisted one, but it's generally moved in the direction of goodness and maturity to this point. It'd be sad to see her lose that.

I think they'll argue and differ on a lot of things, but I don't see her turning evil or outright betraying him.

Team Burt. I imagine their relationship will sort of be on the same level as Ned and Stannis's (even though they never met in the pages of the books or on the show): respect for what the other has been through, but not warm and loving.

wasn't Stannis on robert's small council in the books as master of ships?

I believe he was in the show too.

Yes, but when Ned arrived in King's Landing, Stannis had retreated to Dragonstone--he knew what Jon Aryn had discovered about the bastards/the queen's children, and he was trying to decide what to do next. I'm re-reading AGOT now but I'm preeeeeetty sure they don't meet in the books (although they had, of course, met in the past).

Yeah they don't actually meet face to face in either the show or the books.

Ned talks a lot about Stannis in the middle chapters on AGOT, and his descriptions sound a lot like Jon (especially post-Ygritte): brooding, cold, distant, but always yearning to do what's right. Stannis would've been a good Northerner.

I should do another re read soon, and hopefully Winds of Winter will be out around the time I'm done.

Simple Torture wrote:Ned talks a lot about Stannis in the middle chapters on AGOT, and his descriptions sound a lot like Jon (especially post-Ygritte): brooding, cold, distant, but always yearning to do what's right. Stannis would've been a good Northerner.

Stannis was pure iron.

Mecca wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:Ned talks a lot about Stannis in the middle chapters on AGOT, and his descriptions sound a lot like Jon (especially post-Ygritte): brooding, cold, distant, but always yearning to do what's right. Stannis would've been a good Northerner.

Stannis was pure iron.

word.

I really thought we were going to get ghost Shireen.

Stannis sucked.

zeb wrote:Stannis sucked.

Haha, he was pretty bad though. Made lots of bad decisions and fucked things up in a major way. And was majorly unlikeable too. There might have been two scenes, maybe three at most, where I didn't hate his guts.

zeb wrote:Haha, he was pretty bad though. Made lots of bad decisions and fucked things up in a major way. And was majorly unlikeable too. There might have been two scenes, maybe three at most, where I didn't hate his guts.

he was the king who answered. all other lords ignored the night's watch call to arms against the wildlings. aside from the child burning, i think he was the most fit of all lords to lead the realm.

Book Stannis still has time to end on a high note (i.e. he hasn't roasted his daughter yet, and who knows if he will).