Red Mosquito

Simple Torture wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:I don't think there's any longview scenario where this works out in their favor:

#1. It gets a lousy CBO score and bites the dust in the senate.

#2. It somehow passes the senate, then 24M people lose their health care and take their anger to the 2018 elections.

On #2: they could plan it so that the complete phase-in doesn't happen until after Nov. 2018.

This is a great point. But it would still be a huge gamble, because by that point the details of the bill would have gotten out, and voters would have had enough time to process the impact.

tragabigzanda wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:I don't think there's any longview scenario where this works out in their favor:

#1. It gets a lousy CBO score and bites the dust in the senate.

#2. It somehow passes the senate, then 24M people lose their health care and take their anger to the 2018 elections.

On #2: they could plan it so that the complete phase-in doesn't happen until after Nov. 2018.

This is a great point. But it would still be a huge gamble, because by that point the details of the bill would have gotten out, and voters would have had enough time to process the impact.

Followup Comment: This scenario would probably see an increase in the "fake news" stance from the Trump admin, in which any question about the bill's impacts will get brushed aside as being biased. But can they really sing that tune for that long and have enough people buy it?

tragabigzanda wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:I don't think there's any longview scenario where this works out in their favor:

#1. It gets a lousy CBO score and bites the dust in the senate.

#2. It somehow passes the senate, then 24M people lose their health care and take their anger to the 2018 elections.

On #2: they could plan it so that the complete phase-in doesn't happen until after Nov. 2018.

This is a great point. But it would still be a huge gamble, because by that point the details of the bill would have gotten out, and voters would have had enough time to process the impact.

Followup Comment: This scenario would probably see an increase in the "fake news" stance from the Trump admin, in which any question about the bill's impacts will get brushed aside as being biased. But can they really sing that tune for that long and have enough people buy it?

They're a lot of really dumb people out there. After all, he did win the election with that bullshit.

'What they tell you is lies. Fake news. What we tell you is the truth.'


He's not even doing that right. He and his administration aren't even doing that much.

'Being president is harder than I thought' should have made headline news everywhere. Aka I'm unqualified to be here.

dimejinky99 wrote:

wease wrote:

malice wrote:I honestly don't think I've ever felt more despondent about the US.

The day you all elected him has to own that spot in fairness.

I didn't vote for that fuck, and Clinton won the popular vote. place the blame on the GOP for gerrymandering

And the electoral college also

malice wrote:And the electoral college also

Could just as easily blame the Democratic Party for nominating a candidate that had 0 chance of winning the electoral college.

I believe the 24 million number is over a decade.

I can't imagine this bill won't get tweaked in the senate after the CBO score comes out, but for most it wouldn't even need to. All they want is the mandate gone and the black guy's name out.

I hate these people.

Electromatic wrote:

malice wrote:And the electoral college also

Could just as easily blame the Democratic Party for nominating a candidate that had 0 chance of winning the electoral college.

I blame you.
in all seriousness, i dont care which party it is, the political system is broken, beaten, and lying in a bloody mess all over the floor. I blame politicians for all being a bunch of corrupt racist fucktards. dig?

team malice

malice wrote:And the electoral college also

The more young people who realize their small towns are dying and move to the big city in California or wherever will only make this worse. I don't care how many people voted for Clinton in California - she still got the same number of electoral votes regardless.

you guys are hilarious

malice wrote:

Electromatic wrote:

malice wrote:And the electoral college also

Could just as easily blame the Democratic Party for nominating a candidate that had 0 chance of winning the electoral college.

I blame you.
in all seriousness, i dont care which party it is, the political system is broken, beaten, and lying in a bloody mess all over the floor. I blame politicians for all being a bunch of corrupt racist fucktards. dig?

Fair point. I dig. It is a pretty depressing situation right now.

BurtReynolds wrote:you guys are hilarious

Yup. This is what happens when you normalize outrage at particular politician. When they do something actually really bad, like this horseshit, it can slide by with less risk to it's backers.

I had a religious but tell me the other day that 400,000 unregistered voters voted for marriage equality in Ireland and its all a sick fraud.

She was the first time I'd ever heard about a mysterious 10% of our population swinging a vote in a globally historic referendum. Yet she believed every word she was saying. Apparently it was a fix.

Somehow we didn't know we had an extra 400,000 people on our voting register.

dimejinky99 wrote:I had a religious but

Then what happened

McParadigm wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:I had a religious but

Then what happened

I posted this. It's not a human. They insisted it was.

It's already started: Two negative takes on the health care vote on the front page of Politico:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/0 ... 8?lo=ap_b2

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/0 ... 2?lo=ap_d1

We'll get op-eds and talking head commentary tomorrow, so Trump should be rolling out "fake news" somewhere in the front nine holes by Saturday afternoon.