Red Mosquito

McParadigm wrote:I don’t really have a problem with Phat’s demonstrated point, even as I disagree with it. The logical conclusion of both his argument and mine seems to be that gun violence touches so many communities, across the entire American spectrum, that only stringent gun laws can save us from this hellscape of unending mass murder.

The way he actually demonstrates his points are rather disingenuous at best. He says he questions everything, but all i hear him questioning is the "msm" and "socialists". He throws out phrases and talking points directly taken from, not shockingly, the most popular news network in the country. Fox News is mainstream. lets be honest.

Strat wrote:

McParadigm wrote:I don’t really have a problem with Phat’s demonstrated point, even as I disagree with it. The logical conclusion of both his argument and mine seems to be that gun violence touches so many communities, across the entire American spectrum, that only stringent gun laws can save us from this hellscape of unending mass murder.

The way he actually demonstrates his points are rather disingenuous at best. He says he questions everything, but all i hear him questioning is the "msm" and "socialists". He throws out phrases and talking points directly taken from, not shockingly, the most popular news network in the country. Fox News is mainstream. lets be honest.

I haven’t watched Fox News (or any other TV source for “news”) in years.

In all honesty, I may watch TV news of any kind less than 5-10 days a year. And even then it’s in short bursts. I read a lot about what these outlets are saying, and I see some clips from different shows on line, but I am not a Fox News watcher, or CNN watcher, or MSNBC watcher, or even local news watcher.

PHATJ wrote:In the same way that leftists disregard sources politically right of... socialism, I take anything I read from sources like Snopes with a skeptical eye. They have a narrative they are pushing, just like anyone else, you just happen to agree with them ideologically so you don’t question their narrative.

You should turn that skeptical eye to the image you shared, my dude. I just straight-up refuse to believe you don't experience even a little bit of cognitive dissonance as you try and pretend that gang violence is the same as what people are talking about when they refer to the "mass-shooting epidemic". And the fact that, when pressed on that distinction, you wave away the argument with flimsy piffle like "killing is killing, isn't it?" comes off as willfully missing the point for the sake of "gotcha!" lib-owning. To skim past nuance like that is the definition of intellectual dishonesty.

These are highly pertinent questions that you up and strawmanned your way out of

Mickey wrote:What goal does it serve to conflate gang-related shootings with events like the El Paso shooting, when we know that these events have a completely different etiology? What is the result of this supposed fact check other than to exculpate white men?

theplatypus wrote:

PHATJ wrote:In the same way that leftists disregard sources politically right of... socialism, I take anything I read from sources like Snopes with a skeptical eye. They have a narrative they are pushing, just like anyone else, you just happen to agree with them ideologically so you don’t question their narrative.

You should turn that skeptical eye to the image you shared, my dude. I just straight-up refuse to believe you don't experience even a little bit of cognitive dissonance as you try and pretend that gang violence is the same as what people are talking about when they refer to the "mass-shooting epidemic". And the fact that, when pressed on that distinction, you wave away the argument with flimsy piffle like "killing is killing, isn't it?" comes off as willfully missing the point for the sake of "gotcha!" lib-owning. To skim past nuance like that is the definition of intellectual dishonesty.

Of course they aren’t “the same”. The truth is that gang violence also happens much more frequently and regularly than “mass shootings”. Both are terrible. Both are a problem.

PHATJ wrote:

Mickey wrote:Oh cool, so you read the article about how this specific use of a broad definition may be both factually correct and still a bad-faith, right-wing conflation, yet are still dumb enough to come in here and try to make an almost identical conflation.

I disagree with that presumption. Just because the far-left rag Snopes says something may be conflation doesn’t make it so. In the same way that leftists disregard sources politically right of... socialism, I take anything I read from sources like Snopes with a skeptical eye. They have a narrative they are pushing, just like anyone else, you just happen to agree with them ideologically so you don’t question their narrative.

You disagree with the presumption that domestic violence and gang violence has a different cause than walking into a Walmart and mowing down a bunch of people you don't know?

theplatypus wrote:These are highly pertinent questions that you up and strawmanned your way out of

Mickey wrote:What goal does it serve to conflate gang-related shootings with events like the El Paso shooting, when we know that these events have a completely different etiology? What is the result of this supposed fact check other than to exculpate white men?

I’ve got to pick up my kids now and we have dinner plans. I’ll try to address this later.

It's a bit clumsy, but it does serve to counter the "we have a white male problem" rhetoric that does in fact exist (despite claims to the contrary) and the general hysterics that surround mass shootings despite the fact that this happens all the time in several major U.S. cities. But those aren't politically motivated or politically exploitable so they count less I guess.

But whatever. Narrative narrative narrative bla bla bla I'm tired of all this.

BurtReynolds wrote:It's a bit clumsy, but it does serve to counter the "we have a white male problem" rhetoric that does in fact exist (despite claims to the contrary) and the general hysterics that surround mass shootings despite the fact that this happens all the time in several major U.S. cities. But those aren't politically motivated or politically exploitable so they count less I guess.

But whatever. Narrative narrative narrative bla bla bla I'm tired of all this.

Don Lemon has gone so far as to say on air that white men are the biggest terrorist threat in America. When challenged on that he doubled down. There’s no evidence that what he said is true, but that doesn’t matter to him, or CNN, or the leftists that watch his show. If something like that was said about any other group (women, gays, any racial minority, religious groups, whatever, it would be deemed racist, sexist, some kind of “phobic”, and bigoted. But because Lemon is black and gay and liberal he can say whatever he wants. Similar things are said on basically a daily basis on both Cable “News” shows and Network TV shows.

I’m tired of it too. It’s exhausting.

That's what this is about? You're mad at fucking Don Lemon? Jesus dude get a grip.

Mickey wrote:That's what this is about? Your mad at fucking Don Lemon? Jesus dude get a grip.

That’s just an example. You are a simpleton.

PHATJ wrote:

Shithole cities? Who cares about them?

PHATJ wrote:

Mickey wrote:That's what this is about? Your mad at fucking Don Lemon? Jesus dude get a grip.

That’s just an example. You are a simpleton.

Oh yeah man great example of this definitely real problem that we need to fix.

Honestly man if you were any dumber there'd be a moral responsibility to call CPS.

Mickey wrote:Honestly man if you were any dumber there'd be a moral responsibility to call CPS.

I think you just won the internet.

Mickey wrote:Honestly man if you were any dumber there'd be a moral responsibility to call CPS.

If you had any chance of procreating there’d be a moral responsibility to castrate you.

Lmao good one

A vasectomy would get the job done. No need to get violent.