E.H. Ruddock wrote:I mean, we had conversations about other foods, and I'm trying to understand here. Figs popped into my head today and I was just curious. Argo drops this thread and wants us to learn with him, but I guess my question was too... dickish? I'll just hang up and listen from now on.
I'm on your side on that one. He was being too mean to you!
Re: Being Vegan
Posted: Mon August 14, 2017 11:41 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
Oh and I wish you the best in your endeavor Asher. I wish I had the will to make a big change like that
Re: Being Vegan
Posted: Mon August 14, 2017 11:48 pm
by The Argonaut
I just sent this as a PM to rudd, but OK fine it can be in the public:
I'm sorry I was mean about your question[, rudd]. malice talking about horses building roads and asking me if I was going to stop using roads just had me in the wrong headspace. And then the article you posted was about how wasps go into figs or whatever to lay eggs and then die there, which seems like a natural process. I'm not sure why you thought I would have a problem with that. It just seemed silly to me, especially after malice's thing.
Re: Being Vegan
Posted: Tue August 15, 2017 12:11 am
by E.H. Ruddock
Do you guys think that before modern culture, when humans were hunter-gatherers and only ate what they hunted, was morally wrong? If humanity was not domesticating livestock, would people have problems with it morally? Just curious as to what others think. Not Argo though, I already know what you think, thanks.
Re: Being Vegan
Posted: Tue August 15, 2017 12:12 am
by The Argonaut
I'd love to know what you think I think. Especially since I've posted about it in this thread before.
Re: Being Vegan
Posted: Tue August 15, 2017 12:13 am
by E.H. Ruddock
The Argonaut wrote:I'd love to know what you think I think. Especially since I've posted about it in this thread before.
That's why I know
Re: Being Vegan
Posted: Tue August 15, 2017 12:16 am
by E.H. Ruddock
And sorry my honey inquiries upset you and the fragile state of this thread. I've always been genuinely curious, so I thought this would be a good thread to discuss it. And since you are on the front lines of this, I figured you might have a curiosity about it or at least some knowledge. Boy howdy.
Re: Being Vegan
Posted: Tue August 15, 2017 12:17 am
by tragabigzanda
Re: Being Vegan
Posted: Tue August 15, 2017 12:18 am
by The Argonaut
This used to be my favorite thread.
Re: Being Vegan
Posted: Tue August 15, 2017 12:19 am
by E.H. Ruddock
The Argonaut wrote:This used to be my favorite thread.
No worries, pal. This is your thread. I'll keep out. I can feed my curiosity about this stuff elsewhere. Enjoy it again!
Re: Being Vegan
Posted: Tue August 15, 2017 12:23 am
by The Argonaut
I'm sorry, rudd.
What is it about you that makes me want to apologize to you all the time? Oh! I know! Your thin skin!
Re: Being Vegan
Posted: Tue August 15, 2017 12:46 am
by 96583UP
what is considered the primary source for 'vegan law'?
certain folks attach certain meaning to the word - but would be helpful to know what the core definition really is
what is the 'vegan bible'?
i want to know
and then i can make better comments/rank things
Re: Being Vegan
Posted: Wed August 16, 2017 12:23 am
by tragabigzanda
Re: Being Vegan
Posted: Wed August 16, 2017 12:54 am
by The Argonaut
I'd choose the first option.
Re: Being Vegan
Posted: Wed August 16, 2017 1:46 am
by 96583UP
throw 'im in the slammer
Re: Being Vegan
Posted: Wed August 16, 2017 1:48 am
by Kaius
The Argonaut wrote:I'd choose the first option.
This thread might be your biggest mistake.
Re: Being Vegan
Posted: Wed August 16, 2017 1:57 am
by The Argonaut
At this point, the idea of eating meat is very unappealing to me.
And on another level, the problem of pesticides and poor agricultural labor conditions are solvable problems. Feeding humanity with red meat is an unsolvable problem, in terms of sustainability and impact on human health.
The second option is probably the better choice for one single meal, but it's not the one I'd make.
Re: Being Vegan
Posted: Wed August 16, 2017 1:59 am
by given2trade
The Argonaut wrote:This thread is getting out of hand. Instead of you guys asking me how I feel about 19th century horses or the natural instincts of wasps, let me turn it around and raise some issues to you guys. To my mind, this is much more important.
Do humans create tragic lives for intelligent mammals, like cows and pigs? Why do we do that? To what end? Can this be stopped and is it worth trying to stop?
You don't have to post anything. I'm just trying to illustrate how I'm dealing with big questions here about unnecessary cruelty and suffering, as well as human and ecological health, and you're asking me frivolous, silly questions.
Why have you stopped eating chicken then? And since when is a cow an intelligent animal?
Re: Being Vegan
Posted: Wed August 16, 2017 2:02 am
by The Argonaut
Re: Being Vegan
Posted: Wed August 16, 2017 2:02 am
by 96583UP
what if humans started eating other humans
it would get their numbers down
simultaneously we could focus on re-breeding bison in north america
once a sufficient balance has been reached, we could go back to eating bison all day
then we wouldn't have to take B12 supplements like some science experiment