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durdencommatyler wrote:In My Tree is an amazing song. I don't really give a shit how "deep" it is philosophically. It has tremendous emotional depth and breadth. Sometimes simplicity is profound. It doesn't need to explore unknown depths to be powerful.

It doesn't, but I think In My Tree is a song that thinks it has something deep to say, which is what takes it down a notch for me. It's also why a song like Go, with large swatches of nonsensical lyrics, isn't really harmed by that. Go is pure adrenaline with no retention of being anything other.

Vote against In My Tree. Hail Hail is a very good song elevated by the fact that it does have some very insightful things to say about relationships

This is super hard. I think I like In My Tree better but both are fantastic.

Hail, Hail.

Yikes, sorry, I forgot we're eliminating: In My Tree.

I think Hail, Hail is superior to IMT by a comfortable margin. No disrespect to IMT, but H,H is a powerhouse. Top 5 PJ, probably.

IMT was my fave on this album for years; but over time i have come to understand the subtle beauty of hail hail, which is the better track

Toss up. Voting against Hail Hail to keep it close.

Fuck this noise. In My Tree is the best track on that entire album.

stip wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:In My Tree is an amazing song. I don't really give a shit how "deep" it is philosophically. It has tremendous emotional depth and breadth. Sometimes simplicity is profound. It doesn't need to explore unknown depths to be powerful.

It doesn't, but I think In My Tree is a song that thinks it has something deep to say, which is what takes it down a notch for me. It's also why a song like Go, with large swatches of nonsensical lyrics, isn't really harmed by that. Go is pure adrenaline with no retention of being anything other.

Stip yes. Yes stip. You get it.

No, that is all kinds of wrong. They are both 90s rock songs by PJ. Either both should get a pass, or none.

Hail, Hail

Reluctant vote for IMT

Anders wrote:No, that is all kinds of wrong. They are both 90s rock songs by PJ. Either both should get a pass, or none.

why?

stip wrote:

Anders wrote:No, that is all kinds of wrong. They are both 90s rock songs by PJ. Either both should get a pass, or none.

why?

The lyrics are written by the same person, only a few years apart, performed by the same band, both rock songs. One is a little bit more aggressive, but the lyrics should be judged on the same merit.

in my tree

kp

Hail Hail

These are the two best songs on No Code. Hate to do it, but voting off Hail, Hail.

Anders wrote:

stip wrote:

Anders wrote:No, that is all kinds of wrong. They are both 90s rock songs by PJ. Either both should get a pass, or none.

why?

The lyrics are written by the same person, only a few years apart, performed by the same band, both rock songs. One is a little bit more aggressive, but the lyrics should be judged on the same merit.

For sure. I'm not saying the lyrics of Go (or Got Some, arguably the worst offender) are less bad because of the type of song they are attached to. I'm just saying that they don't impact the song in quite the same way because the song doesn't draw attention to the lyrics - the delivery, the feeling, the performance is primary. But for other songs the lyrics, the message, etc. are more integral to what the song is hoping to accomplish, so bad lyrics (or great lyrics) are more impactful

stip wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:In My Tree is an amazing song. I don't really give a shit how "deep" it is philosophically. It has tremendous emotional depth and breadth. Sometimes simplicity is profound. It doesn't need to explore unknown depths to be powerful.

It doesn't, but I think In My Tree is a song that thinks it has something deep to say, which is what takes it down a notch for me. It's also why a song like Go, with large swatches of nonsensical lyrics, isn't really harmed by that. Go is pure adrenaline with no retention of being anything other.

I think you think the song thinks that, sure. But that's your issue, not the song's. The song isn't trying to say anything deep. Just look at the actual text. The song is very clearly trying to remove not to plant. It's anti-something deep.

I can't complain about a Hail, Hail victory. It's a worthy song, indeed. But my heart will always belong to In My Tree.