Kanye West

[epilogue]

What do you mean by 'than most instruments'?? Like kanye mastering samples is tougher than me learning to play a guitar..

Yes.

There's zero chance that's accurate.

[LoathedVermin72]

What do you mean by 'than most instruments'?? Like kanye mastering samples is tougher than me learning to play a guitar..

Yes.

There's zero chance that's accurate.

You guys realize that creating sophisticated samples is not exactly easy, right?

[Alex]

that's a great justification, LV. that perfectly encapsulates the argument that i wish i could as articulately convey to people who disparage sampling.

[mastaflatch]

Guys, what should I listen to from Kanye in order to have my mind blown like never before because he's enough of a genius to brag about it endlessly like a fuckin tool?
Please note: as soon as I hear some autotune bullshit, I turn it off.
Thanks in advance, RM!

[epilogue]

What do you mean by 'than most instruments'?? Like kanye mastering samples is tougher than me learning to play a guitar..

Yes.

There's zero chance that's accurate.

You guys realize that creating sophisticated samples is not exactly easy, right?

Yes, I do.

But learning --- or mastering --- an instrument is way more difficult. At least, for most people.

[epilogue]

Guys, what should I listen to from Kanye in order to have my mind blown like never before because he's enough of a genius to brag about it endlessly like a fuckin tool?
Please note: as soon as I hear some autotune bullshit, I turn it off.
Thanks in advance, RM!

Oh, you should totally listen to --- wait, no autotune.... ?

Yeah, listen to something else.

[Jorge]

But again, I don't have a wealth of rap/hiphop knowledge. I've owned up to that. Sampling is something that comes with the territory. You can't really avoid it. So it takes something else to elevate the song beyond that, for me. A lot of what the Beastie's do is really interesting to me. I've never really taken the time to consider it or break it down or whatever. Maybe I should.

But if I notice a sample or if the sample overwhelms the rest of the song, it turns me off. I don't know what's sampled in Root Down. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.

There are other samples that I can dig, though. So there are times that I'm into it. Perhaps the rest of the time I'm just an uninformed asshole.

As long as it produces music that moves and excites you, you shouldn't have to worry too much about what beat from an obscure soul song was overmodulated beyond recognition to make up the rhythm base.

[Jorge]

What do you mean by 'than most instruments'?? Like kanye mastering samples is tougher than me learning to play a guitar..

Yes.

There's zero chance that's accurate.

You guys realize that creating sophisticated samples is not exactly easy, right?

Yes, I do.

But learning --- or mastering --- an instrument is way more difficult. At least, for most people.

Until you've worked on Ableton, you're talking out of your ass. It's a much more complex system to learn than a guitar.

[epilogue]

But again, I don't have a wealth of rap/hiphop knowledge. I've owned up to that. Sampling is something that comes with the territory. You can't really avoid it. So it takes something else to elevate the song beyond that, for me. A lot of what the Beastie's do is really interesting to me. I've never really taken the time to consider it or break it down or whatever. Maybe I should.

But if I notice a sample or if the sample overwhelms the rest of the song, it turns me off. I don't know what's sampled in Root Down. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.

There are other samples that I can dig, though. So there are times that I'm into it. Perhaps the rest of the time I'm just an uninformed asshole.

As long as it produces music that moves and excites you, you shouldn't have to worry too much about what beat from an obscure soul song was overmodulated beyond recognition to make up the rhythm base.

No, you're right. I agree. That's kinda what I've been dancing around without trying to be a backpedaling shite.

But, psychologically, and I'm not saying it makes sense or is fair or right or whatever, but most of the time, if I can recognize the sample, it hinders the song. I'm sure that's hypocritical. But there you have it. Not always. Just most of the time.

[mastaflatch]

What do you mean by 'than most instruments'?? Like kanye mastering samples is tougher than me learning to play a guitar..

Yes.

There's zero chance that's accurate.

You guys realize that creating sophisticated samples is not exactly easy, right?

Yes, I do.

But learning --- or mastering --- an instrument is way more difficult. At least, for most people.

Until you've worked on Ableton, you're talking out of your ass. It's a much more complex system to learn than a guitar.

You both realize that it painfully pointless to know what's harder to learn, right? It's the results that matter.

[epilogue]

What do you mean by 'than most instruments'?? Like kanye mastering samples is tougher than me learning to play a guitar..

Yes.

There's zero chance that's accurate.

You guys realize that creating sophisticated samples is not exactly easy, right?

Yes, I do.

But learning --- or mastering --- an instrument is way more difficult. At least, for most people.

Until you've worked on Ableton, you're talking out of your ass. It's a much more complex system to learn than a guitar.

Oh, okay. My bad.

[Strat]

What do you mean by 'than most instruments'?? Like kanye mastering samples is tougher than me learning to play a guitar..

Yes.

There's zero chance that's accurate.

You guys realize that creating sophisticated samples is not exactly easy, right?

Yes, I do.

But learning --- or mastering --- an instrument is way more difficult. At least, for most people.

Until you've worked on Ableton, you're talking out of your ass. It's a much more complex system to learn than a guitar.

[mastaflatch]

Guys, what should I listen to from Kanye in order to have my mind blown like never before because he's enough of a genius to brag about it endlessly like a fuckin tool?
Please note: as soon as I hear some autotune bullshit, I turn it off.
Thanks in advance, RM!

Oh, you should totally listen to --- wait, no autotune.... ?

Yeah, listen to something else.

Thanks! Genius is automatically discredited when Genius uses that horrendous gimmick. (half-kidding)

[BurtReynolds]

What do you mean by 'than most instruments'?? Like kanye mastering samples is tougher than me learning to play a guitar..

Yes.

There's zero chance that's accurate.

You guys realize that creating sophisticated samples is not exactly easy, right?

Yes, I do.

But learning --- or mastering --- an instrument is way more difficult. At least, for most people.

Until you've worked on Ableton, you're talking out of your ass. It's a much more complex system to learn than a guitar.

Is learning production equipment harder than guitar? I doubt it just because there are more knobs and dials.

[Jorge]

You both realize that it painfully pointless to know what's harder to learn, right? It's the results that matter.

Right. I was responding to the laziness comment. I don't think samples are inherently lazy. They can be very sophisticated and take a lot of time and effort to put together.

[epilogue]

Guys, what should I listen to from Kanye in order to have my mind blown like never before because he's enough of a genius to brag about it endlessly like a fuckin tool?
Please note: as soon as I hear some autotune bullshit, I turn it off.
Thanks in advance, RM!

Oh, you should totally listen to --- wait, no autotune.... ?

Yeah, listen to something else.

Thanks! Genius is automatically discredited when Genius uses that horrendous gimmick. (half-kidding)

Autotune is another big reason why I can't listen to Kanye. Other artists use it and I can deal with it. It's all a matter of degree. But the way, the extent to which Kanye uses it and flaunts it, is another thing that turns me off.

[Strat]

im not a player i just crush a lot

[mastaflatch]

Guys, what should I listen to from Kanye in order to have my mind blown like never before because he's enough of a genius to brag about it endlessly like a fuckin tool?
Please note: as soon as I hear some autotune bullshit, I turn it off.
Thanks in advance, RM!

Oh, you should totally listen to --- wait, no autotune.... ?

Yeah, listen to something else.

Thanks! Genius is automatically discredited when Genius uses that horrendous gimmick. (half-kidding)

Autotune is another big reason why I can't listen to Kanye. Other artists use it and I can deal with it. It's all a matter of degree. But the way, the extent to which Kanye uses it and flaunts it, is another thing that turns me off.

But The Doors didn't use autotune and only have a tiny passage of one of their songs that is worth listening to (thanks Genius for saving us time to wade through their pathetic catalogue - Genius sampled it!).

[Strat]

The doors rule.

[epilogue]

Yeah, again, I'm sure it makes me lame and ruins whatever sliver of credibility I've built up, but I really REALLY like The Doors.

I don't get all the hate.