Red Mosquito

tragabigzanda wrote:

Orpheus wrote:What is actually worth fighting against in the PC/MeToo movements? I see this sentiment all the time, and it's really dumb. "Yeah man, fuck these women for...talking about how they want justice for being assaulted. Not in MY country!" Especially in a movie about essentially retconning the murder of Sharon fucking Tate???

I honestly struggle to figure out what the fuck some of yall are talking about.

1. Identifying the sentiment is not the same as supporting it

2. I think the sentiment is less about sticking it to women or PC police, and more about making the art you want to make regardless of social trends

tragabigzanda wrote:

Orpheus wrote:What is actually worth fighting against in the PC/MeToo movements? I see this sentiment all the time, and it's really dumb. "Yeah man, fuck these women for...talking about how they want justice for being assaulted. Not in MY country!" Especially in a movie about essentially retconning the murder of Sharon fucking Tate???

I honestly struggle to figure out what the fuck some of yall are talking about.

1. Identifying the sentiment is not the same as supporting it

2. I think the sentiment is less about sticking it to women or PC police, and more about making the art you want to make regardless of social trends

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:I wouldn't say the movie is specifically about #metoo, though he did catch a lot of flack during that (whether it was deserved or not I can't say for sure). It did motivate him here to some degree.

But it's more general than that. Pitt is raw masculine energy from start to finish, and he's surrounded by ressentiment fueled haters and inauthentic fakes who he easily overwhelms, and his world (and Tate) is better off for it. He's total Nietzschean ubermensch. It's a static character "arc" done right.

It happened after the movie came out, but I think Tarantino's response to that idiot journalist who accused him of misogyny for not giving Robbie enough speaking parts perfectly encapsulates his viewpoint, and that's reflected in the movie.

what's this now?

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:I agree having Kurt narrate the last stretch felt kind of funny.

BurtReynolds wrote:But it's more general than that. Pitt is raw masculine energy from start to finish, and he's surrounded by ressentiment fueled haters and inauthentic fakes who he easily overwhelms, and his world (and Tate) is better off for it. He's total Nietzschean ubermensch. It's a static character "arc" done right.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.