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I don’t remember these lads getting this worked up about Ahsoka. Or obi wan


Did they even watch those shows?

McParadigm wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:Sorry guys but epilogue is right:

https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/t ... rse-fandom

The show has been the subject of a lot of pathetic bigotry, and I’m quite sure it would be getting a better reception without it because people will generally like Star War by default. That’s why the property was worth billions of dollars. But none of the things that those people are complaining about are the problem here.

This show isn't for you. If you don't like it don't watch it. You're the reason the show failed.

That's your honest, good faith, take away?

epilogue wrote:That's your honest, good faith, take away?

Maybe I'm naive but I don't really think these shows have bad audience scores and viewership because they are diverse I think its because they are bad shows. You can win these people over pretty easy. The Game of Thrones brand was in the tank and the diverse House of the Dragon won everyone back almost immediately. Just make a good show and maybe don't blame the audience if they don't like it. The shame strategy isn't working.

What's your take on the disparity between critics and audience reviews of The Acolyte?

Well look. I've been reading your comments in this thread and my take a way is you don't really like this show but you feel like you are supposed to like it and are trying to talk yourself into it. I think the media is doing the same and the audience just wants to watch a good Star Wars show and they aren't getting what they want.

The only reason I'm in this thread is to see what you and Dime thought of it cause I was thinking this isn't for me but those guys love this stuff let me see what they say and then I see you are all wishy washy about it and I'm thinking gawd this must really be awful I'm gonna pass.

I have liked each new episode more than the previous. And I genuinely do think the show is going to make more sense and come across much stronger when the whole story is told.

you almost have to respect Disney for taking absolutely zero outside feedback and just plowing ahead with their "vision". Even to the smallest detail.

I don’t even want to see ep2, so I’m off from this one. I only liked a few eps of mando S1 and 2, a few from obi wan and Ashoka so clearly SW tv is not for me.

And I do agree with Trag on his world views and with Bada on his opinions too.

BurtReynolds wrote:you almost have to respect Disney for taking absolutely zero outside feedback and just plowing ahead with their "vision". Even to the smallest detail.

I think that is a problem with all TV now. They film the entire season then release it. In the good old days they'd be filming episodes in blocks while releasing shows and could pivot throughout the season as they got audience feedback. This new model they are locked in. They don't react positively to audience feedback now anyways they just tell the audience they are horrible people for not liking it.

I support people's opinions. Totally. I just also think facts matter.

'It's a bad show' isn't a fact. People ARE absolutely, factually, reviewing bombing The Acolyte.

Which is not to say that there aren't plenty of valid criticisms or that anyone out there who hates it is a terrible person with an agenda. That's clearly not the case. If this show isn't for you, it isn't for you. That's totally fine and reasonable.

bada wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:you almost have to respect Disney for taking absolutely zero outside feedback and just plowing ahead with their "vision". Even to the smallest detail.

I think that is a problem with all TV now. They film the entire season then release it. In the good old days they'd be filming episodes in blocks while releasing shows and could pivot throughout the season as they got audience feedback. This new model they are locked in. They don't react positively to audience feedback now anyways they just tell the audience they are horrible people for not liking it.

The reason they have these ready-made criticisms of fans ready to go is because for some bizarre reason they think it still works as marketing (if it ever did). They've been doing it for so long that you'd think they would have received the data that it doesn't work. Sure, someone like Trag buys it, but he's not watching the show anyway.

epilogue wrote:I support people's opinions. Totally. I just also think facts matter.

'It's a bad show' isn't a fact. People ARE absolutely, factually, reviewing bombing The Acolyte.

Agree its subjective but the thing with review bombing is it works both ways. You can positive review bomb too and I don't think any studio is above that. If the general public loved this Disney would be trumpeting the view numbers from sea to shining sea.

BurtReynolds wrote:

bada wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:you almost have to respect Disney for taking absolutely zero outside feedback and just plowing ahead with their "vision". Even to the smallest detail.

I think that is a problem with all TV now. They film the entire season then release it. In the good old days they'd be filming episodes in blocks while releasing shows and could pivot throughout the season as they got audience feedback. This new model they are locked in. They don't react positively to audience feedback now anyways they just tell the audience they are horrible people for not liking it.

The reason they have these ready-made criticisms of fans ready to go is because for some bizarre reason they think it still works as marketing (if it ever did). They've been doing it for so long that you'd think they would have received the data that it doesn't work. Sure, someone like Trag buys it, but he's not watching the show anyway.

I think it did work for a while. From a marketing perspective, engagement, whether positive or negative, really doesn't matter all that matters is people are talking about it. Online chatter....trending and viral videos. For a while the haters and the lovers were going back and forth owning each other but eventually the haters turned to apathy and the lovers realized they only were into it to yell at the haters and now no one is watching.

bada wrote:

epilogue wrote:I support people's opinions. Totally. I just also think facts matter.

'It's a bad show' isn't a fact. People ARE absolutely, factually, reviewing bombing The Acolyte.

Agree its subjective but the thing with review bombing is it works both ways. You can positive review bomb too and I don't think any studio is above that. If the general public loved this Disney would be trumpeting the view numbers from sea to shining sea.

It definitely works both ways. But it's a different animal.

And it's not just user reviews that get bombed, but Rottentomatoes critic reviews essentially do as well. RT recently expanded their definition of critic to include a lot of people with barely any followings or history, to increase positive scores. (Top critic score is 74%.)

It's difficult to make much of a determination either way. Big Youtube accounts that make their living from hating everything can't stop hating now, and the one's that shill for everything a franchise does can't stop shilling.

You just have to watch a few and try to pick out specific criticisms or comments and see if they ring true to you.

Which is probably for the best anyway.