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Re: Black Lives Matter

Posted: Mon July 27, 2020 10:12 am
by B
simple schoolboy wrote: How much of this is due to the great migration?
3%

Re: Black Lives Matter

Posted: Mon July 27, 2020 3:30 pm
by wease
simple schoolboy wrote:
wease wrote:So in the last couple of weeks, I've been filling in for some of my company's other locations. All of these that I've been to is a more urban area than where my "home" clinic is. Due to that, I've actually seen more patients that are black than I normally do in my clinic. In every case that I've had a black patient, they were exceptionally polite and adding "sir" and "ma'am" after every sentence. Now, I very, very rarely get such respect (probably not the right word) from any of our white patients. Even the nicest of the white patients come across as familiar and informal. And I started wondering if the reason the black patients were so respectful was because they were brought up to be that way towards white people (men, in particular) as a preemptive defense. Now sure, raising your kids to be respectful to everyone else is a goal we should all have but I couldn't help but feel a little guilty because as an older than them white man, maybe they instinctively responded as they were taught to in an effort to possibly survive other situations.

I don't know. I don't think I explained it very well, but it just felt wrong to me. Not that their politeness wasn't genuine, but that it was, perhaps, borne of other things.
How much of this is due to the great migration? This speech pattern is consistent with Southern manners, and this is almost certainly the way their grandparents spoke.

What region are your clinics in?
Middle TN

But WHY did their grandparents speak that way? Was it because if they didn’t say “sir” to a passing white man on the sidewalk, they were entitled to be beaten?

Re: Black Lives Matter

Posted: Mon July 27, 2020 6:13 pm
by simple schoolboy
wease wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
wease wrote:So in the last couple of weeks, I've been filling in for some of my company's other locations. All of these that I've been to is a more urban area than where my "home" clinic is. Due to that, I've actually seen more patients that are black than I normally do in my clinic. In every case that I've had a black patient, they were exceptionally polite and adding "sir" and "ma'am" after every sentence. Now, I very, very rarely get such respect (probably not the right word) from any of our white patients. Even the nicest of the white patients come across as familiar and informal. And I started wondering if the reason the black patients were so respectful was because they were brought up to be that way towards white people (men, in particular) as a preemptive defense. Now sure, raising your kids to be respectful to everyone else is a goal we should all have but I couldn't help but feel a little guilty because as an older than them white man, maybe they instinctively responded as they were taught to in an effort to possibly survive other situations.

I don't know. I don't think I explained it very well, but it just felt wrong to me. Not that their politeness wasn't genuine, but that it was, perhaps, borne of other things.
How much of this is due to the great migration? This speech pattern is consistent with Southern manners, and this is almost certainly the way their grandparents spoke.

What region are your clinics in?
Middle TN

But WHY did their grandparents speak that way? Was it because if they didn’t say “sir” to a passing white man on the sidewalk, they were entitled to be beaten?
Maybe its as dark as you suppose.

Did Tennesee have much migration in the 30s and 40s for the TVA? If your demographics didn't change much it would suggest my hypothesis is incorrect.

Re: Black Lives Matter

Posted: Mon July 27, 2020 6:18 pm
by simple schoolboy
Maybe migration isn't as significant as imperfect code switching between AAVE and 'standard' American English?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/African ... ar_English

Re: Black Lives Matter

Posted: Mon July 27, 2020 10:06 pm
by wease
simple schoolboy wrote:
wease wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
wease wrote:So in the last couple of weeks, I've been filling in for some of my company's other locations. All of these that I've been to is a more urban area than where my "home" clinic is. Due to that, I've actually seen more patients that are black than I normally do in my clinic. In every case that I've had a black patient, they were exceptionally polite and adding "sir" and "ma'am" after every sentence. Now, I very, very rarely get such respect (probably not the right word) from any of our white patients. Even the nicest of the white patients come across as familiar and informal. And I started wondering if the reason the black patients were so respectful was because they were brought up to be that way towards white people (men, in particular) as a preemptive defense. Now sure, raising your kids to be respectful to everyone else is a goal we should all have but I couldn't help but feel a little guilty because as an older than them white man, maybe they instinctively responded as they were taught to in an effort to possibly survive other situations.

I don't know. I don't think I explained it very well, but it just felt wrong to me. Not that their politeness wasn't genuine, but that it was, perhaps, borne of other things.
How much of this is due to the great migration? This speech pattern is consistent with Southern manners, and this is almost certainly the way their grandparents spoke.

What region are your clinics in?
Middle TN

But WHY did their grandparents speak that way? Was it because if they didn’t say “sir” to a passing white man on the sidewalk, they were entitled to be beaten?
Maybe its as dark as you suppose.

Did Tennesee have much migration in the 30s and 40s for the TVA? If your demographics didn't change much it would suggest my hypothesis is incorrect.
I’m not sure. Most of the experiences I’m familiar with has everyone going north to Detroit, Chicago and Indiana back then. I do know that, as a carpenter, my great-grandfather helped build Oak Ridge but the family moved to the same place when they came back.

Re: Black Lives Matter

Posted: Tue July 28, 2020 2:11 am
by 96583UP
i know what you are talking about Wease

even some of the Blacks from lower income areas in the NE will refer to a white person as 'Mr.' or 'Mrs.' '[first name]'

i think this is at least partially a product of having to be graceful as a survival strategy in a society that has forcefully looked to exclude them for any reason whenever possible

Re: Black Lives Matter

Posted: Wed July 29, 2020 7:35 pm
by B
:lol: Two Republicans posted pictures of themselves with Elijah Cummings when memorializing John Lews.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/us/m ... lewis.html

I'm sure it was just a stupid staff person running the social media accounts, but it's still funny. :lol:

Re: Black Lives Matter

Posted: Wed July 29, 2020 9:05 pm
by wease
That's twice for that dolt Rubio.

Re: Black Lives Matter

Posted: Wed July 29, 2020 9:28 pm
by B
wease wrote:That's twice for that dolt Rubio.
Did he do the reverse when Cummings died?

Re: Black Lives Matter

Posted: Thu July 30, 2020 1:18 am
by 96583UP
just so much this
Spoiler: show
:facepalm:

Re: Black Lives Matter

Posted: Thu July 30, 2020 1:31 am
by wease
B wrote:
wease wrote:That's twice for that dolt Rubio.
Did he do the reverse when Cummings died?
No. He’s posted twice “remembering” Lewis with pictures of Cummings.

Re: Black Lives Matter

Posted: Thu July 30, 2020 3:32 pm
by Captain Termite

Re: Black Lives Matter

Posted: Thu July 30, 2020 3:52 pm
by wease
And THAT's how Donald Trump was elected.

Re: Black Lives Matter

Posted: Thu July 30, 2020 4:49 pm
by Captain Termite
wease wrote:And THAT's how Donald Trump was elected.
76% in that county

Re: Black Lives Matter

Posted: Fri July 31, 2020 2:53 am
by tragabigzanda
FUCK ICE

Re: Black Lives Matter

Posted: Fri July 31, 2020 2:58 am
by 96583UP
lol

that was fun

loved that movie

Re: Black Lives Matter

Posted: Fri July 31, 2020 2:59 am
by 96583UP
oh snap:

https://collider.com/macgruber-2-update ... ill-forte/
“Right now we are finishing the last scripts of an eight-episode series of MacGruber, which fingers crossed will be shot in the fall. We don’t officially know that we’re greenlit yet, but we’re very excited about the stuff we’ve written so far, and so far we’re going ahead as if it’s still going on. But who knows, with the current situation in the world, who knows if it gets pushed back. And everything could always just go kaput as per MacGruber, but it’s something we’re hoping to do and moving towards.”

Re: Black Lives Matter

Posted: Fri July 31, 2020 3:04 am
by tragabigzanda
FUCK ICE

Re: Black Lives Matter

Posted: Fri July 31, 2020 2:41 pm
by Green Habit
Image

Re: Black Lives Matter

Posted: Fri July 31, 2020 2:46 pm
by tragabigzanda
FUCK ICE