Red Mosquito

a minute into the second quarter and joe flacco just tossed his fifth touchdown pass

Sigh

spike wrote:Bucs fielding offers for Doug Martin

This makes no sense other than he's just not a fit for whatever offensive system Lovie is running. Someone is going to get a good RB.

Green Habit wrote:This makes no sense

please note thread subject

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spike wrote:Bucs fielding offers for Doug Martin

Doug Martin and Vincent Jackson may be gone tomorrow.

as much as i love him as a Buc, Vjax makes sense, he isnt getting younger and he still has some good value even with his big price tag, plus they seemingly drafted his replacement. Doug Martin makes less sense because at best they will get a 3rd or 4th round pick for them, especially since he has shown nothing this year ( im pretty sure its because of the terrible O line play ) but i feel like they see Rainey as about equal to Martin and Charlie Sims may be brought back next week, so i dont think Lovie planned to have Martin long term anyway.

we will see, if they both go i hope it is for something good.

are they trying to package them together or two different trades?

also, does this mean vjax will stop disappointing me every week in fantasy?

spike wrote:are they trying to package them together or two different trades?

they have supposedly been receiving calls for both, not sure who all is calling about Martin but ive heard that Philly, NE and Seattle were calling about Vjax

spike wrote:also, does this mean vjax will stop disappointing me every week in fantasy?

im pretty sure that even with him needing to learn a new playbook if he does get traded, he will do better on another team then he has this year for the Bucs

Add Mark Barron to the list of players that teams are calling the Bucs about

Barron traded to the Rams

I'm about sick of this team. If they have a 1 or 2 draft pick, they have to draft a QB, right? Why has this franchise never gone after a big time QB? I've been a fan for 35 years and these are the QB's I've suffered through.

Doug Williams*, Jack Thompson, Steve DeBerg, Steve Young*, Vinny Testaverde, Craig Erickson, Trent Dilfer, Shaun King, Brad Johnson*, Brian Griese, Chris Simms, Bruce Gradkowski, Jeff Garcia, Josh Freeman, Mike Glennon, Luke McCown.

*Williams and Young were traded/released before they became great, and yes, Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl, but with that defense even Tony Romo would have won a Super Bowl.

How can ownership not realize, especially in today's NFL, that the core needs to be a star QB? I get a down period, bad draft classes, etc., but this is over 3 decades' worth.

Don't even get me started on bringing in a "defensive" head coach that wants to run a defense that no one has used for 10 years.

/rant

rise up

E.H. Ruddock wrote:I'm about sick of this team. If they have a 1 or 2 draft pick, they have to draft a QB, right? Why has this franchise never gone after a big time QB? I've been a fan for 35 years and these are the QB's I've suffered through.

Doug Williams*, Jack Thompson, Steve DeBerg, Steve Young*, Vinny Testaverde, Craig Erickson, Trent Dilfer, Shaun King, Brad Johnson*, Brian Griese, Chris Simms, Bruce Gradkowski, Jeff Garcia, Josh Freeman, Mike Glennon, Luke McCown.

*Williams and Young were traded/released before they became great, and yes, Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl, but with that defense even Tony Romo would have won a Super Bowl.

How can ownership not realize, especially in today's NFL, that the core needs to be a star QB? I get a down period, bad draft classes, etc., but this is over 3 decades' worth.

Don't even get me started on bringing in a "defensive" head coach that wants to run a defense that no one has used for 10 years.

/rant

they keep saying Glennon is the QBoF but i dont think they believe it, no need to bench him if thats the case. they missed their chance with Glennon by not trading him for something during this last draft because i think he has shown himself this year as a career backup, thats why he got benched. QB needs to be the top Priority this off season, McCown can be good enough if he is protected but he is only worth a year or 2. Hopefully they will be in a position to draft a top QB this year and let him sit for a season to learn.

and by the way, Damn was it fun to see this team Convincingly win a game

Freeman was a top 20 pick and looked like he could possibly be the answer a few years ago, he just ended up sucking. But yeah, I generally have no idea what the Bucs are doing. They're the new Redskins.

Anyone wanna have a QB listing battle?

@SkitchP wrote:Anyone wanna have a QB listing battle?

Lions and Bucs would surely be the finals of that tourney

i used to wonder how so many words could be wasted on the bucs, but then i realized that schadenfreude is a most effective kindling for the fire of discourse