Red Mosquito

durdencommatyler wrote:It felt very broad strokes to me and did little to reveal the depth of the man. There was very little in the doc that we didn't already know. It felt like a two-disc greatest hits with two new bonus tracks. I thought they relied way too heavily on the animated notebooks, especially in the final hour. The ending felt rushed, which is odd for such a long film. And, yeah, the Courtney interview (she's CLEARLY lying) right into Where Did You Sleep was a fucking gut punch. That was awesome.

I'm glad I saw it and it definitely hit some powerful notes here and there. At least it got me listening to Nirvana again.

I miss Kurt.

how much depth was there to begin with, though... you can't get more in-depth than his personal journals... watching tv while practicing poppy chords, doodling in notebooks, drug addiction, low self esteem masked with rage, hopelessness, loyalty to a fault. these are all things I can identify with first hand, which is one reason why it was such an uncomfortable watch for me. My biggest personal connection, however, is the broken family life at such an early age, feeling betrayed by all of his parents, searching for that lover to fill the void, gaining hope, losing hope, abandonment paranoia... It's a fucked up hole to be in, and it can be tough to dig out. Unfortunately for Kurt, even with the success, the $$, the baby, etc... he couldn't pull himself out of that paranoia and depression, and it seemed there was no one around him to lend him a hand. This is why I think Michael Stipe was so torn up over Kurt's suicide... and Krist, too... in hindsight, they feel partially responsible because they think they could have helped him.

Oh, and I didn't believe Courtney, either... sometimes you can just tell if someone is lying, and to me her denial of infidelity was total bullshit!

Iholdthepain wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:It felt very broad strokes to me and did little to reveal the depth of the man. There was very little in the doc that we didn't already know. It felt like a two-disc greatest hits with two new bonus tracks. I thought they relied way too heavily on the animated notebooks, especially in the final hour. The ending felt rushed, which is odd for such a long film. And, yeah, the Courtney interview (she's CLEARLY lying) right into Where Did You Sleep was a fucking gut punch. That was awesome.

I'm glad I saw it and it definitely hit some powerful notes here and there. At least it got me listening to Nirvana again.

I miss Kurt.

how much depth was there to begin with, though... you can't get more in-depth than his personal journals... watching tv while practicing poppy chords, doodling in notebooks, drug addiction, low self esteem masked with rage, hopelessness, loyalty to a fault. these are all things I can identify with first hand, which is one reason why it was such an uncomfortable watch for me. My biggest personal connection, however, is the broken family life at such an early age, feeling betrayed by all of his parents, searching for that lover to fill the void, gaining hope, losing hope, abandonment paranoia... It's a fucked up hole to be in, and it can be tough to dig out. Unfortunately for Kurt, even with the success, the $$, the baby, etc... he couldn't pull himself out of that paranoia and depression, and it seemed there was no one around him to lend him a hand. This is why I think Michael Stipe was so torn up over Kurt's suicide... and Krist, too... in hindsight, they feel partially responsible because they think they could have helped him.

Oh, and I didn't believe Courtney, either... sometimes you can just tell if someone is lying, and to me her denial of infidelity was total bullshit!

this guy gets it

Spoiler: show

though the naivety in me wants to believer her

Iholdthepain wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:It felt very broad strokes to me and did little to reveal the depth of the man. There was very little in the doc that we didn't already know. It felt like a two-disc greatest hits with two new bonus tracks. I thought they relied way too heavily on the animated notebooks, especially in the final hour. The ending felt rushed, which is odd for such a long film. And, yeah, the Courtney interview (she's CLEARLY lying) right into Where Did You Sleep was a fucking gut punch. That was awesome.

I'm glad I saw it and it definitely hit some powerful notes here and there. At least it got me listening to Nirvana again.

I miss Kurt.

how much depth was there to begin with, though... you can't get more in-depth than his personal journals... watching tv while practicing poppy chords, doodling in notebooks, drug addiction, low self esteem masked with rage, hopelessness, loyalty to a fault. these are all things I can identify with first hand, which is one reason why it was such an uncomfortable watch for me. My biggest personal connection, however, is the broken family life at such an early age, feeling betrayed by all of his parents, searching for that lover to fill the void, gaining hope, losing hope, abandonment paranoia... It's a fucked up hole to be in, and it can be tough to dig out. Unfortunately for Kurt, even with the success, the $$, the baby, etc... he couldn't pull himself out of that paranoia and depression, and it seemed there was no one around him to lend him a hand. This is why I think Michael Stipe was so torn up over Kurt's suicide... and Krist, too... in hindsight, they feel partially responsible because they think they could have helped him.

Oh, and I didn't believe Courtney, either... sometimes you can just tell if someone is lying, and to me her denial of infidelity was total bullshit!

No, you're right. It's not that it didn't cut deep. I guess, I just wanted more from the people that knew him. I wanted to explore the other sides of Kurt Cobain. And having already read through the journals and articles and all of that for the better part of 25 years, it felt re-hashed.

And the end felt clipped. I wish we could have explored more of what happened to him toward the end (and between the albums, for that matter). Maybe I wanted more of what KD talked about in the way of studio behind the scenes and discussions of the albums/artwork/Incesticide/dealings/etc.

The doc felt easy and one-sided, I guess. Not that it wasn't in-depth, but it only covered one angle. And maybe that's the angle people want to know the most about, or maybe that's just who the dude was, and my desire to add more to it is my own fault. Maybe it's because I still struggle with the "fact" of the suicide and I was hoping we could hash out some of the other stuff rather that just cherry pick all of the horrible thoughts and and dark art like a lawyer arguing a case. I don't know.

Only saw 45 minutes of this, i guess ill watch the rest later but overall, i kinda liked how they tried to put down some of the mythos surrounding this guy.

Buzz Osborne talks Montage of Heck: http://thetalkhouse.com/music/talks/buz ... ins-talks/

That was interesting. Especially the stomach thing.

I love how sincere buzz is about nirvana. I always feel cobain was just a somewhat good writer but a lie itself.
Never finished the doc and i doubt i will.

Birds in Hell wrote:Buzz Osborne talks Montage of Heck: http://thetalkhouse.com/music/talks/buz ... ins-talks/

I don't know why I chose to believe him. But what he's saying feels honest to me. And it taps back into what I was trying to say earlier in the thread about the documentary's inability to dig deeper.

Though, I do think Montage was more interested in showing us Kurt via what he presented (the diaries. the home recordings, ect) than it is interested in truth. This isn't a documentary in that sense. And we can argue whether that's a problem or not, but I don't think that was the overall point.

Anyway, having never met Kurt or Buzz, I have to say what Buzz is saying rings true for some reason. It certainly mirrors thoughts and feelings I had while watching Montage.

Regardless of whether that story about the special-needs girl is true or not, it's another expression of young Kurt's creativity, and as much of a glimpse into his developing mind as those drawings and poems and early songs.

theplatypus wrote:Regardless of whether that story about the special-needs girl is true or not, it's another expression of young Kurt's creativity, and as much of a glimpse into his developing mind as those drawings and poems and early songs.

I agree. I kinda figured it was short fiction anyway as I was watching it.

He was good at creating a myth,ill give him that. Also, what a fucking slacker.

He accomplished more in only 27 years than most of us will ever do with our lives. I hesitate to call him a slacker, drug habits notwithstanding.

Yeah, I think we could all come up with a list of more appropriate words to describe Kurt Cobain than slacker.

Like... stinky, probably

theplatypus wrote:Like... stinky, probably

Stinky, probably, yes. Or blond, sometimes.

theplatypus wrote:He accomplished more in only 27 years than most of us will ever do with our lives. I hesitate to call him a slacker, drug habits notwithstanding.

yeah i get that, but i was refering to her non work at all methods from his youth, like - my girlfriend works for me-. For sure, he was talented and did a lot of stuff.

reading buzz osborne talk about nirvana/kurt cobain is always like a breath of fresh air. dude just always comes across completely sincere

theplatypus wrote:He accomplished more in only 27 years than most of us will ever do with our lives.

I can't agree with this at all.

McParadigm wrote:

theplatypus wrote:He accomplished more in only 27 years than most of us will ever do with our lives.

I can't agree with this at all.

He made some recordings of pop music and played the songs live for a while. I'm not shitting on the music, I just disagree with the import being given it, here.