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Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread

Posted: Wed September 03, 2014 7:44 pm
by broken iris
Alex wrote:
broken iris wrote:Apparently we are now looking for 11 commercial passenger jets that were taken by militants in Libya.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security ... ks-on-911/

Sleep tight everyone.
why can't i find a source on these events other than the usual endoftimes.basementnews.geocities.com-types? this may or may not be a legitimate question, and it's ambivalent whether i tend for you to respond.
Not sure what you consider legit news sources, but...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rsary.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09 ... 58520.html
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/09/03/re ... ack-feared

Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread

Posted: Wed September 03, 2014 8:33 pm
by McParadigm
None of those, frankly.

Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread

Posted: Wed September 03, 2014 9:16 pm
by broken iris
McParadigm wrote:None of those, frankly.
Yeah well, algo-based online news articles make it hard to find actual reporting. If it pans out, we will probably hear more in the next few days.

Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread

Posted: Thu September 04, 2014 8:13 am
by Jorge
McParadigm wrote:Do we have platy's update on how the newest video compares to the last one? Have production values been ramped up, as this travesty unfolds? Or is ISIS creatively stagnant?
Nah they seem stuck in that "AV student with entry-level DSLR's attempt at a System of a Down fan video" phase.

Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread

Posted: Thu September 04, 2014 3:09 pm
by McParadigm
theplatypus wrote:
McParadigm wrote:Do we have platy's update on how the newest video compares to the last one? Have production values been ramped up, as this travesty unfolds? Or is ISIS creatively stagnant?
Nah they seem stuck in that "AV student with entry-level DSLR's attempt at a System of a Down fan video" phase.
If they were real terrorists, they would go through the whole spiel, hold up the blade like they meant it, and then one of their friends would run into the shot and ice bucket the poor guy instead.

Then they would call out more people than they're supposed to.

Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread

Posted: Thu September 04, 2014 3:35 pm
by BurtReynolds
Without the Hollywood sword sound, I imagine they seem quite fake.

Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread

Posted: Thu September 04, 2014 5:42 pm
by Norah
theplatypus wrote:
McParadigm wrote:Do we have platy's update on how the newest video compares to the last one? Have production values been ramped up, as this travesty unfolds? Or is ISIS creatively stagnant?
Nah they seem stuck in that "AV student with entry-level DSLR's attempt at a System of a Down fan video" phase.

Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread

Posted: Fri September 05, 2014 11:02 am
by broken iris
Islamic State using leaked Snowden info to evade U.S. intelligence

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... to-evade-/



****

Well, no shit.

Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread

Posted: Fri September 05, 2014 1:24 pm
by simple schoolboy
I feel comfortable disregarding the claims in the article based on the source. Former NSA bigshot probably trading one government salary for another I'd not going to diverge from the party line. Regardless, the general outline of our Sigint capabilities has been known for a while (cellphones even off can be used to record/track etc.) See: one former compound in Abottabad for one example.

Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread

Posted: Fri September 05, 2014 2:53 pm
by McParadigm
And just think of all the information they may acquire about American political resilience and response off of a tell-all website like the Washington Times.

Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread

Posted: Fri September 05, 2014 9:33 pm
by broken iris

Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread

Posted: Sun September 28, 2014 2:43 pm
by broken iris
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/3 ... c-mccarthy
The Khorosan Group Does Not Exist
It’s a fictitious name the Obama administration invented to deceive us.
By Andrew C. McCarthy

We’re being had. Again.

For six years, President Obama has endeavored to will the country into accepting two pillars of his alternative national-security reality. First, he claims to have dealt decisively with the terrorist threat, rendering it a disparate series of ragtag jayvees. Second, he asserts that the threat is unrelated to Islam, which is innately peaceful, moderate, and opposed to the wanton “violent extremists” who purport to act in its name.

Now, the president has been compelled to act against a jihad that has neither ended nor been “decimated.” The jihad, in fact, has inevitably intensified under his counterfactual worldview, which holds that empowering Islamic supremacists is the path to security and stability. Yet even as war intensifies in Iraq and Syria — even as jihadists continue advancing, continue killing and capturing hapless opposition forces on the ground despite Obama’s futile air raids — the president won’t let go of the charade.

Hence, Obama gives us the Khorosan Group.

The who?

There is a reason that no one had heard of such a group until a nanosecond ago, when the “Khorosan Group” suddenly went from anonymity to the “imminent threat” that became the rationale for an emergency air war there was supposedly no time to ask Congress to authorize.

You haven’t heard of the Khorosan Group because there isn’t one. It is a name the administration came up with, calculating that Khorosan — the –Iranian–​Afghan border region — had sufficient connection to jihadist lore that no one would call the president on it.

The “Khorosan Group” is al-Qaeda. It is simply a faction within the global terror network’s Syrian franchise, “Jabhat al-Nusra.” Its leader, Mushin al-Fadhli (believed to have been killed in this week’s U.S.-led air strikes), was an intimate of Ayman al-Zawahiri, the emir of al-Qaeda who dispatched him to the jihad in Syria. Except that if you listen to administration officials long enough, you come away thinking that Zawahiri is not really al-Qaeda, either. Instead, he’s something the administration is at pains to call “core al-Qaeda.”

“Core al-Qaeda,” you are to understand, is different from “Jabhat al-Nusra,” which in turn is distinct from “al-Qaeda in Iraq” (formerly “al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia,” now the “Islamic State” al-Qaeda spin-off that is, itself, formerly “al-Qaeda in Iraq and al-Sham” or “al-Qaeda in Iraq and the Levant”). That al-Qaeda, don’t you know, is a different outfit from al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula . . . which, of course, should never be mistaken for “al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb,” “Boko Haram,” “Ansar al-Sharia,” or the latest entry, “al-Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent.”

Coming soon, “al-Qaeda on Hollywood and Vine.” In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if, come 2015, Obama issued an executive order decreeing twelve new jihad jayvees stretching from al-Qaeda in January through al-Qaeda in December.

Except you’ll hear only about the jayvees, not the jihad. You see, there is a purpose behind this dizzying proliferation of names assigned to what, in reality, is a global network with multiple tentacles and occasional internecine rivalries.

As these columns have long contended, Obama has not quelled our enemies; he has miniaturized them. The jihad and the sharia supremacism that fuels it form the glue that unites the parts into a whole — a worldwide, ideologically connected movement rooted in Islamic scripture that can project power on the scale of a nation-state and that seeks to conquer the West. The president does not want us to see the threat this way.

For a product of the radical Left like Obama, terrorism is a regrettable but understandable consequence of American arrogance. That it happens to involve Muslims is just the coincidental fallout of Western imperialism in the Middle East, not the doctrinal command of a belief system that perceives itself as engaged in an inter-civilizational conflict. For the Left, America has to be the culprit. Despite its inbred pathologies, which we had no role in cultivating, Islam must be the victim, not the cause. As you’ll hear from Obama’s Islamist allies, who often double as Democrat activists, the problem is “Islamophobia,” not Muslim terrorism.

This is a gross distortion of reality, so the Left has to do some very heavy lifting to pull it off. Since the Islamic-supremacist ideology that unites the jihadists won’t disappear, it has to be denied and purged. The “real” jihad becomes the “internal struggle to become a better person.” The scriptural and scholarly underpinnings of Islamic supremacism must be bleached out of the materials used to train our national-security agents, and the instructors who resist going along with the program must be ostracized. The global terror network must be atomized into discrete, disconnected cells moved to violence by parochial political or territorial disputes, with no overarching unity or hegemonic ambition. That way, they can be limned as a manageable law-enforcement problem fit for the courts to address, not a national-security challenge requiring the armed forces.

The president has been telling us for years that he handled al-Qaeda by killing bin Laden. He has been telling us for weeks that the Islamic State — an al-Qaeda renegade that will soon reconcile with the mother ship for the greater good of unity in the anti-American jihad — is a regional nuisance that posed no threat to the United States. In recent days, however, reality intruded on this fiction. Suddenly, tens of thousands of terrorists, armed to the teeth, were demolishing American-trained armies, beheading American journalists, and threatening American targets.

Obama is not the manner of man who can say, “I was wrong: It turns out that al-Qaeda is actually on the rise, its Islamic State faction is overwhelming the region, and American interests — perhaps even American territory — are profoundly threatened.” So instead . . . you got “the Khorosan Group.”

You also got a smiley-face story about five Arab states joining the United States in a coalition to confront the terrorists. Finally, the story goes, Sunni governments were acting decisively to take Islam back from the “un-Islamic” elements that falsely commit “violent extremism” under Islam’s banner.

Sounds uplifting … until you read the fine print. You’ve got to dig deep to find it. It begins, for example, 42 paragraphs into the Wall Street Journal’s report on the start of the bombing campaign. After the business about our glorious alliance with “moderate” allies like Saudi Arabia and Qatar who so despise terrorism, we learn:

Only the U.S. — not Arab allies — struck sites associated with the Khorasan group, officials said. Khorasan group members were in the final stages of preparations for an attack on U.S. and Western interests, a defense official said. Khorasan was planning an attack on international airliners, officials have said. . . . Rebels and activists contacted inside Syria said they had never heard of Khorasan and that the U.S. struck several bases and an ammunition warehouse belonging to the main al Qaeda-linked group fighting in Syria, Nusra Front. While U.S. officials have drawn a distinction between the two groups, they acknowledge their membership is intertwined and their goals are similar.

Oops. So it turns out that our moderate Islamist partners have no interest in fighting Syria’s al-Qaeda affiliate. Yes, they reluctantly, and to a very limited extent, joined U.S. forces in the strikes against the Islamic State renegades. But that’s not because the Islamic State is jihadist while they are moderate. It is because the Islamic State has made mincemeat of Iraq’s forces, is a realistic threat to topple Assad, and has our partners fretting that they are next on the menu.

Meantime, though, the Saudis and Qatar want no trouble with the rest of al-Qaeda, particularly with al-Nusra. After all, al-Qaeda’s Syrian branch is tightly allied with the “moderate opposition” that these “moderate” Gulf states have been funding, arming, and training for the jihad against Assad.

Oh, and what about those other “moderates” Obama has spent his presidency courting, the Muslim Brotherhood? It turns out they are not only all for al-Qaeda, they even condemn what one of their top sharia jurists, Wagdy Ghoneim, has labeled “the Crusader war against the Islamic State.”

“The Crusaders in America, Europe, and elsewhere are our enemies,” Ghoneim tells Muslims. For good measure he adds, “We shall never forget the terrorism of criminal America, which threw the body of the martyred heroic mujahid, Bin Laden, into the sea.”

Obama has his story and he’s sticking to it. But the same can be said for our enemies.

Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread

Posted: Wed October 15, 2014 9:23 pm
by dimejinky99
This is a blind leap into a bucket of bullshit on an Orwellian level.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... ebook-post

Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread

Posted: Wed October 15, 2014 9:38 pm
by broken iris
dimejinky99 wrote:This is a blind leap into a bucket of bullshit on an Orwellian level.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... ebook-post
This was reported years ago and never went anywhere, but:

leftover chemicals weapons ≠ ongoing WMD program that poses a global threat


Alas, technically, there were thousands of undeclared chemical weapons found in Iraq after the invasion and saying "there were no WMDs in Iraq" is wrong.

Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread

Posted: Thu October 16, 2014 2:46 pm
by Alex
most of the articles broken iris posts are a few MIDI notes away from having the authority of a geocities page

Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread

Posted: Thu October 16, 2014 6:34 pm
by simple schoolboy
Great contribution. Would discount again.

Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread

Posted: Tue December 09, 2014 9:02 pm
by McParadigm
So, putting food up people's butts, keeping them awake for a week at a time, hanging them by their arms from the ceiling for 22 hours a day, locking them in small cells filled with insects, dragging them behind vehicles....

But enough about how Marilyn Manson is spending his retirement (laughter sign). Let's talk about our interrogation program (applause sign).

Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread

Posted: Tue December 09, 2014 9:06 pm
by McParadigm
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Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread

Posted: Tue December 09, 2014 10:45 pm
by McParadigm
24-Hours of EIT
Detainee Abu Zubaydah was placed "in complete isolation for 47 days," then subjected to "enhanced interrogation techniques on a near 24-hour-per-day basis." He “cried, begged, pleaded, and whimpered,” but denied having any information.


Detainee Stuffed in a Coffin-Like Box
Zubaydah spent a total of 266 hours in a "large confinement box" that looked like a "coffin." He spent an additional 29 hours in an even smaller box, which was 21 inches wide, 2.5 feet deep, and 2.5 feet tall.

CIA interrogators reportedly told Zubaydah "that the only way he would leave the facility was in the coffin-shaped confinement box."


Additional Intelligence 'Highly Unlikely,' But Waterboarding Continues
Even after the interrogation team told CIA headquarters that it was “highly unlikely” he had the information they were looking for, interrogators continued to waterboard Abu Zubaydah, who “coughed, vomited, and had involuntary spasms of the torso and extremities’” during the procedure. At one point, he "became completely unresponsive, with bubbles rising through his open, full mouth."


CIA Personnel ‘Choking Up’ During Waterboarding
The waterboarding eventually induced "involuntary leg, chest and arm spasms." According to CIA records, “it seems the collective opinion that we should not go much further.” Several on the team were “profoundly affected,” “some to the point of tears and choking up.”


Humus, Pasta, Nuts and Raisins Rectally Infused
Several detainees, including Zubaydah, Marwan al-Jabbur, and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, underwent "rectal rehydration" or "rectal fluid resuscitation" -- and detainee Majid Klian's “lunch tray," made up of hummus, pasta with sauce, raisins and nuts, was "pureed" and rectally infused.

According to CIA medical officers, rectal infusions were partially used as a behavior control: "While IV infusion is safe and effective," an officer noted, "we were impressed with the ancillary effectiveness of rectal infusion."


Medical Officer: Waterboarding is ‘Basically…Drownings’
During waterboarding sessions, Sheikh Mohammed ingested significant amounts of water. According to CIA records, his abdomen “was somewhat distended and he expressed water when the abdomen was pressed.”

“In the new technique,” a medical officer wrote, “we are basically doing a series of near drownings.”

Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded at least 183 times.


'They Cowered'
Detainees at a detention facility referred to in the report as "COBALT" (likely the facility known as the "salt pit") were kept in complete darkness -- paired with constant noise.

Detainees "'literally looked like a dog that had been kenneled,'" one CIA interrogator said. "When the doors to their cells were opened, 'they cowered.'"


Detainee Shackled in Diaper, Kept Awake for 138 Hours
Mohamed Rahim, the last CIA detainee in the Detention and Interrogation Program, was kept awake for 138 1/2 hours -- almost six days.

Diapered and and shackled in a standing position, Rahim “reiterated several times during the session that he would make up information if interrogators pressured him, and that he was at the complete mercy of the interrogators.”

Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread

Posted: Tue December 09, 2014 10:49 pm
by Mine
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