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jwfocker wrote:Eh Kylo needs to stay dark. Enough of the redemption story crap. The guy killed Han Solo. Fuck him. He should go full dark and depraved and evil.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

jwfocker wrote:Eh Kylo needs to stay dark. Enough of the redemption story crap. The guy killed Han Solo. Fuck him. He should go full dark and depraved and evil.

I agree with jwfocker - the last thing I want to see is some kind of Kylo Ren redemption angle. I want him to get more powerful and sick and evil but also have even more of a temper and ultimately go down in a raging, messy blaze of evil glory at the hands of the good guys.

Nah, Kylo is still conflicted.

Monkey_Driven wrote:Nah, Kylo is still conflicted.

Yep. As much as I hate TFA, I think there's potential depth in that character. There will not be if he's just "evil." That would be so dumb and boring.

BootsToAsses wrote:I agree with jwfocker - the last thing I want to see is some kind of Kylo Ren redemption angle. I want him to get more powerful and sick and evil but also have even more of a temper and ultimately go down in a raging, messy blaze of evil glory at the hands of the good guys.

Well yeah. Whether that's a Vader/Kylo mask we see in the trailer, someone tore it up and the good money is on him.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:Nah, Kylo is still conflicted.

Yep. As much as I hate TFA, I think there's potential depth in that character. There will not be if he's just "evil." That would be so dumb and boring.

I see the redemption angle as boring, a bit silly, and way too predictable.

He'll just end up boning Rey anyway and they'll have kids and and everyone will live happily ever after and it will be lame as shit.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want him to just be evil and that's it. Conflict is good, I like that aspect of his character. He's constantly fighting the pull to the light, but ultimately I want to see him unable to get there and then become consumed which causes his downfall.

I hope it comes out that Han was abusive and Ren was right to kill him

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:Nah, Kylo is still conflicted.

Yep. As much as I hate TFA, I think there's potential depth in that character. There will not be if he's just "evil." That would be so dumb and boring.

Agreed. Plus, it would go along with the concept of the "gray" Jedi.

Jesus Christ

dimejinky99 wrote:Jesus Christ

So, it's cool for Luke to be a gray jedi, but not Kylo?

Making Kylo Ren and out and out super villain would be a huge misstep, I think. Maybe he isn't redeemed fully by the end of this trilogy but we need to believe he could be. We need to see him flirt with it. The idea that there is a light side character who WANTS to be dark side but the light keeps interfering is super interesting and fresh. They can't just dismiss that.

I guess.

jwfocker wrote:Eh Kylo needs to stay dark. Enough of the redemption story crap. The guy killed Han Solo. Fuck him. He should go full dark and depraved and evil.

Focker gets it.

The "he killed Han" argument is so uninteresting to me.

durdencommatyler wrote:The "he killed Han" argument is so uninteresting to me.

How about he killed Harrison Ford?

durdencommatyler wrote:The "he killed Han" argument is so uninteresting to me.

This is literally exactly the argument people are making about Statham in The Fate of the Furious.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:The "he killed Han" argument is so uninteresting to me.

This is literally exactly the argument people are making about Statham in The Fate of the Furious.

Get that shit out of here