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Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Sat June 29, 2024 9:02 pm
by Bi_3
simple schoolboy wrote:Bi_3 wrote:What is Chevron anyway? Some folks are claiming it means the end of consumer protection rules and other say it prevents unconstitutional expansion of federal law.
If a regulatory rule is ambiguous, the relevant department gets to interpret it as it sees fit.
Basically the legislature can't divest its powers to the executive and have them come up with rules that (yesterday's ruling) evade judicial review or be interpreted by themselves when unclear (Chevron).
Proggles hated Chevron during the Bush admin when the EPA would interpret things to the benefit of companies (or whoever). It's all kind of window dressing by not revisiting Wickard v Filburn and cutting the feds back to their proper (very limited) role.
CFPB has other issues relating to its possibly unconstitutionally structure., maybe next on the chopping block.
Isn’t this actually real bad though? I get that arbitrary enforcement is a key element of corruption, but what’s to stop companies from doing something like putting lead or other toxic metals back into consumer products unless federal law explicitly sets limits?
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Sat June 29, 2024 10:06 pm
by simple schoolboy
Bi_3 wrote:simple schoolboy wrote:Bi_3 wrote:What is Chevron anyway? Some folks are claiming it means the end of consumer protection rules and other say it prevents unconstitutional expansion of federal law.
If a regulatory rule is ambiguous, the relevant department gets to interpret it as it sees fit.
Basically the legislature can't divest its powers to the executive and have them come up with rules that (yesterday's ruling) evade judicial review or be interpreted by themselves when unclear (Chevron).
Proggles hated Chevron during the Bush admin when the EPA would interpret things to the benefit of companies (or whoever). It's all kind of window dressing by not revisiting Wickard v Filburn and cutting the feds back to their proper (very limited) role.
CFPB has other issues relating to its possibly unconstitutionally structure., maybe next on the chopping block.
Isn’t this actually real bad though? I get that arbitrary enforcement is a key element of corruption, but what’s to stop companies from doing something like putting lead or other toxic metals back into consumer products unless federal law explicitly sets limits?
Someone outta make a law.
The regulators suck. They'll do things like say yes you can legally build this thing and then come back a few years later and say we changed our minds, you have to hunt down and destroy all of these widgets that you've built after we said you could. In some respects the ATF is the least bad. For financial products they are loath to tell people what to do in order to comply so as to allow themselves greater flexibility in future enforcement action.
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Sun June 30, 2024 1:00 am
by B
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Sun June 30, 2024 1:52 am
by simple schoolboy
B wrote:
Here's a better explanation of the particulars:
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Sun June 30, 2024 12:32 pm
by Bi_3
simple schoolboy wrote:B wrote:
Here's a better explanation of the particulars:
My useless brain still isn’t quite getting it yet. I understand the arbitrary enforcement piece, but how would regulations work if the cost had to be covered solely by the agency making it?
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Mon July 01, 2024 11:09 am
by B
Today is going to be a day. I need to go get some bourbon.
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Mon July 01, 2024 2:38 pm
by tragabigzanda
FUCK ICE
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Mon July 01, 2024 2:42 pm
by dad
welp.
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Mon July 01, 2024 3:14 pm
by wease
Told you.
Make the call, Joe.
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Mon July 01, 2024 3:21 pm
by simple schoolboy
Bi_3 wrote:simple schoolboy wrote:B wrote:
Here's a better explanation of the particulars:
My useless brain still isn’t quite getting it yet. I understand the arbitrary enforcement piece, but how would regulations work if the cost had to be covered solely by the agency making it?
Congress can pass unworkable laws. Either they fix it, or it's unenforceable. Establishing funding sources is a core part of their powers.
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Mon July 01, 2024 3:32 pm
by tragabigzanda
FUCK ICE
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Mon July 01, 2024 3:44 pm
by Strat
all hail king trump!
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Mon July 01, 2024 3:53 pm
by tragabigzanda
FUCK ICE
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Mon July 01, 2024 3:56 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
But now Biden is free to commit an official act in Trump, right? He should just go out in a blaze of glory
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Mon July 01, 2024 3:57 pm
by tragabigzanda
FUCK ICE
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Mon July 01, 2024 4:00 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
tragabigzanda wrote:Obviously bad news for America, but can someone explain to me how this systemic power grab is ethically worse than the DNC forcing an unfit geriatric presidential nominee on their electorate with zero meaningful public discourse?
Yes that’s exactly the same thing as an insurrection against your country
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Mon July 01, 2024 4:04 pm
by tragabigzanda
FUCK ICE
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Mon July 01, 2024 4:14 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
tragabigzanda wrote:E.H. Ruddock wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:Obviously bad news for America, but can someone explain to me how this systemic power grab is ethically worse than the DNC forcing an unfit geriatric presidential nominee on their electorate with zero meaningful public discourse?
Yes that’s exactly the same thing as an insurrection against your country
I said ethically, not practically. Learn to read!
I will when you admit you’re voting for Trump!
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Mon July 01, 2024 4:15 pm
by doug rr
go broncos
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Mon July 01, 2024 4:17 pm
by tragabigzanda
FUCK ICE