Red Mosquito

DeeDee wrote:When you hear those songs, like Whipping, Lukin o Habit, you can feel they're convincing.

I hear Supersonic, Comatose, Never Destination or Running and I don't feel that, not by a thousand miles. And it's being a while since I can buy into a punk song by PJ, so I'd rather see them doing what they do best, and what is really convincing. Even if that is filling an album with 10 songs like Buckle Up, Pendulum or River Cross.

Tj wrote:

DeeDee wrote:When you hear those songs, like Whipping, Lukin o Habit, you can feel they're convincing.

I hear Supersonic, Comatose, Never Destination or Running and I don't feel that, not by a thousand miles. And it's being a while since I can buy into a punk song by PJ, so I'd rather see them doing what they do best, and what is really convincing. Even if that is filling an album with 10 songs like Buckle Up, Pendulum or River Cross.

Bad take to me I prefer Running 1000 times to RiverCross Pendulum or Buckle up

DeeDee wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

DeeDee wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

DeeDee wrote:

stip wrote:

DeeDee wrote:And almost in every spritzy punk song they do, Eddie is the biggest problem.

Sometimes it's just the main riff, but mostly is Ed.

Maybe young Ed was a good punk singer (I remember Speed Wash from New year's eve 1991, for example), even great, but old Ed is a bad bad punk singer. Way too many words, too fast and too similar every single time.

And he can't sing this songs live, but that's a whole other thing.

so with the caveat that spritzy punker is a term that means something different to everyone and is generally shorthand for ‘fast song i don’t like’ Eddie has some pretty great performances in this vein. WWS, Comatose, and Mind Your Manners Come to mind. Most of SBWM as well. All 5 star, tremendous songs that he generally just kills

WWS is a rock song, I don't put it in the same category. I'd say the first spritzy punk song they put on a record was Whipping. Spin the black circle is the pinnacle of PJ doing punk.

And none of the songs you name are 5 star songs, not even close, with or without Ed.

I

Whipping is absolutely fantastic though

Yes it is.

But it's not at my top of the band.

In fact, I did a list of their whole catalog according to my taste when the pandemic hit, I'm gonna take a look and see where I put it.

I'll share the list with you if you are curious.

sure

There you go. Whipping is at 75. I'd change some, but that's what was on my mind back in 2020 (pre-Gigaton). I'd put RVM, Corduroy and a couple more over SoLaT right now, but overall I'm ok with it. I did it with an explanation of every song in another forum, but it's in spanish.

1. Release
2. State of Love and Trust
3. Black
4. Corduroy
5. Jeremy
6. Footsteps
7. Indifference
8. Alive
9. Rearviewmirror
10. Yellow Ledbetter
11. Breath
12. Better man
13. Immortality
14. Even Flow
15. Hard to imagine
16. I got id
17. Daughter
18. Nothingman
19. Given to fly
20. Porch
21. Go
22. Off he goes
23. Leash
24. Garden
25. Elderly woman behind the counter in a small town
26. Dissident
27. Present tense
28. Hail, hail
29. Last exit
30. Once
31. Smile
32. Animal
33. Spin the black circle
34. In hiding
35. In my tree
36. Tremor Christ
37. All those yesterdays
38. Brain of J.
39. Nothing as it seems
40. You are
41. Not for you
42. Do the Evolution
43. Man of the hour
44. Long road
45. Insignificance
46. Light Years
47. Falling down
48. Red Mosquito
49. Wash
50. Come back
51. Oceans
52. Glorified G
53. I am mine
54. Blood
55. Faithful
56. Deep
57. Life Wasted
58. No way
59. All or none
60. Amongst the waves
61. WMA
62. Brother
63. Sometimes
64. Rats
65. Inside Job
66. Hold on
67. Low Light
68. Save you
69. Wishlist
70. Just Breathe
71. Unemployable
72. Alone
73. Habit
74. Angel
75. Whipping
76. The Fixer
77. Sirens
78. Grievance
79. Leatherman
80. Getaway
81. Who you are
82. Half full
83. Out of my mind
84. Thumbing my way
85. Unthought known
86. Why go
87. Sad
88. Force of nature
89. Thin air
90. Severed hand
91. Let me sleep (it's Christmas time)
92. Gonna see my friend
93. MFC
94. Parting ways
95. Just a girl
96. Of the earth
97. Love boat captain
98. Lightning bolt
99. Got some
100. Breakerfall
101. Yellow moon
102. Of the girl
103. Rival
104. World wide suicide
105. God's dice
106. Down
107. Infallible
108. Dead man
109. Cropduster
110. Army reserve
111. Last soldier
112. Black, red, yellow
113. Marker in the sand
114. Can't keep
115. Ghost
116. Sleight of Hand
117. Parachutes
118. Johnny Guitar
119. Education
120. Undone
121. The End
122. Pilate
123. Satan's Bed
124. Lukin
125. Bushleaguer
126. All Night
127. Dirty Frank
128. Other Side
129. In the Moonlight
130. Swallowed Whole
131. Strangest Tribe
132. Pendulum
133. Soon Forget
134. Mind your manners
135. Arc
136. Comatose
137. Gone
138. Let the records play
139. Future Days
140. Mankind
141. Around the bend
142. Evacuation
143. Big Wave
144. Green Disase
145. My Father's son
146. Supersonic
147. Push me, Pull me
148. U
149. Sleeping by myself
150. Help Help
151. I'm Open
152. Get Right
153. Santa God
154. Bee Girl
155. Santa Cruz
156. Drifting
157. Wasted Reprise
158. Whale Song
159. Don't gimme no lip
160. Aye Davanita
161. Hitchhiker
162. Sweet Lew
163. Red Dot
164. Bugs
165. Speed of Sound
166. Happy when I'm crying
168.* Pry, to
168.* Hey foxy...
169. Olympic Platinum
171.*Olé
171.* Can't deny me

stip wrote:

DeeDee wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

DeeDee wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

DeeDee wrote:

stip wrote:

DeeDee wrote:And almost in every spritzy punk song they do, Eddie is the biggest problem.

Sometimes it's just the main riff, but mostly is Ed.

Maybe young Ed was a good punk singer (I remember Speed Wash from New year's eve 1991, for example), even great, but old Ed is a bad bad punk singer. Way too many words, too fast and too similar every single time.

And he can't sing this songs live, but that's a whole other thing.

so with the caveat that spritzy punker is a term that means something different to everyone and is generally shorthand for ‘fast song i don’t like’ Eddie has some pretty great performances in this vein. WWS, Comatose, and Mind Your Manners Come to mind. Most of SBWM as well. All 5 star, tremendous songs that he generally just kills

WWS is a rock song, I don't put it in the same category. I'd say the first spritzy punk song they put on a record was Whipping. Spin the black circle is the pinnacle of PJ doing punk.

And none of the songs you name are 5 star songs, not even close, with or without Ed.

I

Whipping is absolutely fantastic though

Yes it is.

But it's not at my top of the band.

In fact, I did a list of their whole catalog according to my taste when the pandemic hit, I'm gonna take a look and see where I put it.

I'll share the list with you if you are curious.

sure

There you go. Whipping is at 75. I'd change some, but that's what was on my mind back in 2020 (pre-Gigaton). I'd put RVM, Corduroy and a couple more over SoLaT right now, but overall I'm ok with it. I did it with an explanation of every song in another forum, but it's in spanish.

1. Release
2. State of Love and Trust
3. Black
4. Corduroy
5. Jeremy
6. Footsteps
7. Indifference
8. Alive
9. Rearviewmirror
10. Yellow Ledbetter
11. Breath
12. Better man
13. Immortality
14. Even Flow
15. Hard to imagine
16. I got id
17. Daughter
18. Nothingman
19. Given to fly
20. Porch
21. Go
22. Off he goes
23. Leash
24. Garden
25. Elderly woman behind the counter in a small town
26. Dissident
27. Present tense
28. Hail, hail
29. Last exit
30. Once
31. Smile
32. Animal
33. Spin the black circle
34. In hiding
35. In my tree
36. Tremor Christ
37. All those yesterdays
38. Brain of J.
39. Nothing as it seems
40. You are
41. Not for you
42. Do the Evolution
43. Man of the hour
44. Long road
45. Insignificance
46. Light Years
47. Falling down
48. Red Mosquito
49. Wash
50. Come back
51. Oceans
52. Glorified G
53. I am mine
54. Blood
55. Faithful
56. Deep
57. Life Wasted
58. No way
59. All or none
60. Amongst the waves
61. WMA
62. Brother
63. Sometimes
64. Rats
65. Inside Job
66. Hold on
67. Low Light
68. Save you
69. Wishlist
70. Just Breathe
71. Unemployable
72. Alone
73. Habit
74. Angel
75. Whipping
76. The Fixer
77. Sirens
78. Grievance
79. Leatherman
80. Getaway
81. Who you are
82. Half full
83. Out of my mind
84. Thumbing my way
85. Unthought known
86. Why go
87. Sad
88. Force of nature
89. Thin air
90. Severed hand
91. Let me sleep (it's Christmas time)
92. Gonna see my friend
93. MFC
94. Parting ways
95. Just a girl
96. Of the earth
97. Love boat captain
98. Lightning bolt
99. Got some
100. Breakerfall
101. Yellow moon
102. Of the girl
103. Rival
104. World wide suicide
105. God's dice
106. Down
107. Infallible
108. Dead man
109. Cropduster
110. Army reserve
111. Last soldier
112. Black, red, yellow
113. Marker in the sand
114. Can't keep
115. Ghost
116. Sleight of Hand
117. Parachutes
118. Johnny Guitar
119. Education
120. Undone
121. The End
122. Pilate
123. Satan's Bed
124. Lukin
125. Bushleaguer
126. All Night
127. Dirty Frank
128. Other Side
129. In the Moonlight
130. Swallowed Whole
131. Strangest Tribe
132. Pendulum
133. Soon Forget
134. Mind your manners
135. Arc
136. Comatose
137. Gone
138. Let the records play
139. Future Days
140. Mankind
141. Around the bend
142. Evacuation
143. Big Wave
144. Green Disase
145. My Father's son
146. Supersonic
147. Push me, Pull me
148. U
149. Sleeping by myself
150. Help Help
151. I'm Open
152. Get Right
153. Santa God
154. Bee Girl
155. Santa Cruz
156. Drifting
157. Wasted Reprise
158. Whale Song
159. Don't gimme no lip
160. Aye Davanita
161. Hitchhiker
162. Sweet Lew
163. Red Dot
164. Bugs
165. Speed of Sound
166. Happy when I'm crying
168.* Pry, to
168.* Hey foxy...
169. Olympic Platinum
171.*Olé
171.* Can't deny me

i appreciate the appropriate representation of 1991-1994 on that list

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

oneway23 wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

oneway23 wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:I’m on lighting for a middle school production of The Lion king this weekend. One more show tonight. I can easily say that DM and Running are better than what I’ve been subjected to this weekend

circle of life and can you feel the love tonight are straight fire

I think you missed where i said who was singing it.

Good thing I don't know where you are, my wife would likely want to go.
She'll see the Lion King and hear those songs performed anywhere and by anyone.

Here's to a good performance!

your wife has great taste

Don’t get me wrong, the songs in Lion king are great. And my wife is directing this particular production. But again, exhibit A: middle schoolers singing them 4 times in two days plus tech week all last week!

tragabigzanda wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

DeeDee wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

DeeDee wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:it was the band trying out new things, for them, but I've always listened to bands that were more experimental as a baseline

I don't need Pearl Jam to be experimental as long as they're doing something they do well, well; and I'd even say that their recent "experiments" have been some of my least favourites

And that was just what I was referring to. Obviously, they're not Tool or Rush.

Unemployable, Dance of the Clairvoyants or Buckle Up are other examples of PJ being 'experimental'.

OK, under that definition of experimental I'll take it

I hope there are a few deeper and more inventive moments on the album, even if we don't get another You Are or DOTC; but I'm also happy that we haven't got another Supersonic or Future Days (that piano at least)

You know something I would LOVE?

A song with Running's bridge as a chorus.

Even Stone says in the Spin article that he loves that bridge (it's Mike's, I think).

It would be a little weird and exciting to me.

whereas I think putting that bridge in a song it "belongs" in *could* make it the butt rock you don't want; it's made weirder by the parts surrounding it

It is, indeed, the most generic radio rock part of either of the songs we’ve heard so far. People just imbue it with other qualities because they like it. It’s done well, it has a memorable melody, and it’s fun to listen to.

But we don’t like to say “I especially liked that formulaic arena rock radio-friendly bridge,” because that doesn’t make us feel very cool.

So because I like it, it must have other qualities that I have previously identified as the type of that thing I, a discernible listener, gravitate towards. And not the kind of qualities that I don’t think of myself as approving of.

This feels like a passive-aggressive response to what I said earlier, so in case it is, let me reiterate that I love a lot of arena rock radio-friendly music, including albums by STP, the Foo Fighters, RHCP, Gin Blossoms, and more.

The difference is that those are done well and this is done like a functionally deaf person got their hands on Reaper and Waves, pounded some tequila, and went to town.

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

DeeDee wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

DeeDee wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:it was the band trying out new things, for them, but I've always listened to bands that were more experimental as a baseline

I don't need Pearl Jam to be experimental as long as they're doing something they do well, well; and I'd even say that their recent "experiments" have been some of my least favourites

And that was just what I was referring to. Obviously, they're not Tool or Rush.

Unemployable, Dance of the Clairvoyants or Buckle Up are other examples of PJ being 'experimental'.

OK, under that definition of experimental I'll take it

I hope there are a few deeper and more inventive moments on the album, even if we don't get another You Are or DOTC; but I'm also happy that we haven't got another Supersonic or Future Days (that piano at least)

You know something I would LOVE?

A song with Running's bridge as a chorus.

Even Stone says in the Spin article that he loves that bridge (it's Mike's, I think).

It would be a little weird and exciting to me.

whereas I think putting that bridge in a song it "belongs" in *could* make it the butt rock you don't want; it's made weirder by the parts surrounding it

It is, indeed, the most generic radio rock part of either of the songs we’ve heard so far. People just imbue it with other qualities because they like it. It’s done well, it has a memorable melody, and it’s fun to listen to.

But we don’t like to say “I especially liked that formulaic arena rock radio-friendly bridge,” because that doesn’t make us feel very cool.

So because I like it, it must have other qualities that I have previously identified as the type of that thing I, a discernible listener, gravitate towards. And not the kind of qualities that I don’t think of myself as approving of.

This feels like a passive-aggressive response to what I said earlier, so in case it is, let me reiterate that I love a lot of arena rock radio-friendly music, including albums by STP, the Foo Fighters, RHCP, Gin Blossoms, and more.

The difference is that those are done well and this is done like a functionally deaf person got their hands on Reaper and Waves, pounded some tequila, and went to town.

you seem obsessed with wanting to hypothetically diagnose everyone with hearing loss

what in god's name are you talking about? I said nothing about that. Get off my cock.

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

DeeDee wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

DeeDee wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:it was the band trying out new things, for them, but I've always listened to bands that were more experimental as a baseline

I don't need Pearl Jam to be experimental as long as they're doing something they do well, well; and I'd even say that their recent "experiments" have been some of my least favourites

And that was just what I was referring to. Obviously, they're not Tool or Rush.

Unemployable, Dance of the Clairvoyants or Buckle Up are other examples of PJ being 'experimental'.

OK, under that definition of experimental I'll take it

I hope there are a few deeper and more inventive moments on the album, even if we don't get another You Are or DOTC; but I'm also happy that we haven't got another Supersonic or Future Days (that piano at least)

You know something I would LOVE?

A song with Running's bridge as a chorus.

Even Stone says in the Spin article that he loves that bridge (it's Mike's, I think).

It would be a little weird and exciting to me.

whereas I think putting that bridge in a song it "belongs" in *could* make it the butt rock you don't want; it's made weirder by the parts surrounding it

It is, indeed, the most generic radio rock part of either of the songs we’ve heard so far. People just imbue it with other qualities because they like it. It’s done well, it has a memorable melody, and it’s fun to listen to.

But we don’t like to say “I especially liked that formulaic arena rock radio-friendly bridge,” because that doesn’t make us feel very cool.

So because I like it, it must have other qualities that I have previously identified as the type of that thing I, a discernible listener, gravitate towards. And not the kind of qualities that I don’t think of myself as approving of.

This feels like a passive-aggressive response to what I said earlier, so in case it is, let me reiterate that I love a lot of arena rock radio-friendly music, including albums by STP, the Foo Fighters, RHCP, Gin Blossoms, and more.

The difference is that those are done well and this is done like a functionally deaf person got their hands on Reaper and Waves, pounded some tequila, and went to town.

you seem obsessed with wanting to hypothetically diagnose everyone with hearing loss

what in god's name are you talking about? I said nothing about that. Get off my cock.

you said "functionally deaf" again lol

oh yeah You can get back on.

Strat wrote:Trag goes into blackouts from his anger when he posts now. It explains everything.

tragabigzanda wrote:what a whirlwind