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B wrote:Props to Jackson for pointing out that Republicans are happy for cis gendered kids to get treatment that affirms their gender.
Yeah, that didnt happen.
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B wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
B wrote:Props to Jackson for pointing out that Republicans are happy for cis gendered kids to get treatment that affirms their gender.
Yeah, that didnt happen.
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She did ask if a cis-male who wanted to lower his voice could get puberty blockers. The response was "no".
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But honestly I did not understand most of the parts of the hearing I listened to. It almost seemed like there were two different cases being heard at the same time and the attorney for TN seemed like he was implying being trans was not a medical condition, which is ridiculous.
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Bi_3 wrote:
B wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
B wrote:Props to Jackson for pointing out that Republicans are happy for cis gendered kids to get treatment that affirms their gender.
Yeah, that didnt happen.
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She did ask if a cis-male who wanted to lower his voice could get puberty blockers. The response was "no".
That answer was revised when counsel limited themselves to the law under consideration.
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Chief Justice Allows U.S. to Continue Freeze on Foreign Aid Payments
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By Zach MontagueMichael Crowley and Adam Liptak via the New York Times

Lawyers for the government had said it would miss a deadline to release more than $1.5 billion in payments for past aid work and sought a late intervention from the Supreme Court.

Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. on Wednesday night handed the Trump administration a victory for now in saying that the U.S. Agency for International Development and the State Department did not need to immediately pay for more than $1.5 billion in already completed aid work.

A federal judge had set a midnight deadline for the agencies to release funds for the foreign aid work, which was withheld in the wake of the president’s Day 1 directive to gut U.S. spending overseas.

The Trump administration, in an emergency appeal to the Supreme Court just hours before the deadline, said the judge had overstepped his authority and interfered with the president’s obligations to “make appropriate judgments about foreign aid.”

Chief Justice Roberts issued an “administrative stay,” an interim measure meant to preserve the status quo while the justices consider the matter in a more deliberate fashion. The chief justice ordered the challengers to file a response to the application on Friday, and the court is likely to act not long after.

However tentative, the stay was nonetheless the first victory for the administration in a deluge of cases that the justices could hear over President Trump’s blitz of executive actions.

In another aggressive move on Wednesday to carry out the president’s directive, lawyers for the Trump administration said that it was ending nearly 10,000 U.S. Agency for International Development and State Department contracts and grants.

The pair of administration actions stunned diplomats and aid workers already reeling from mass firings at U.S.A.I.D., which funds food, health, development and democracy programs abroad, and which the Trump administration has systematically dismantled. A former senior U.S.A.I.D. official said the cuts account for about 90 percent of the agency’s work and tens of billions of dollars in spending.

The cuts deal “a catastrophic blow to USAID’s implementing partners and the populations they serve, likely bankrupting many, and shuttering lifesaving and important programs forever,” a group of agency workers and partners said in a fact sheet distributed Wednesday night.

Several aid workers and U.S.A.I.D. officials said that at least some money for the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, or PEPFAR, had been eliminated, including for elements of the program that were previously deemed essential lifesaving work and exempted from the aid freeze.

Other terminated contracts included ones with urban search and rescue teams in Virginia and California that deploy to afflicted areas in the wake of natural disasters such as the devastating earthquake that struck Turkey and Syria two years ago, according to the former U.S.A.I.D. official. That program had also previously been granted a humanitarian exception from the foreign aid freeze by Secretary of State Marco Rubio.

Trump administration lawyers outlined the steep foreign aid cuts in a status report on the administration’s progress in complying with a Feb. 13 order by Judge Amir H. Ali of the Federal District Court for the District of Columbia. In the order, he said the government must disburse funding already promised to foreign aid contractors and grant recipients who work around the world and who say the U.S.-backed programs save countless lives and enhance America’s influence abroad.

Mr. Trump and other top U.S. officials insist that foreign aid, which makes up roughly 1 percent of the federal budget, has grown wasteful and detached from America’s vital interests.

But critics warn that Mr. Trump is making a calamitous mistake, saying his assault on foreign aid “dangerously undermines America’s ability to win,” as Liz Schrayer, president of the U.S. Global Leadership Coalition, said in a statement.

The moves on Wednesday were the latest twists in the tug of war between the Trump administration and the legal system, in which administration officials have stated that they are working to comply with directives while simultaneously looking for ways around them.

After Mr. Trump in January ordered agencies to pause nearly all foreign aid spending for 90 days while officials reviewed individual projects, aid groups sued. They argued that the pause jeopardized their missions and the lives of millions of people who depend on the programs the U.S. government has funded for decades.

On Feb. 13, Judge Ali issued an order requiring agencies to release funds for any “contracts, grants, cooperative agreements, loans or other federal foreign assistance award that was in existence as of Jan. 19,” the day before Mr. Trump took office.

But group after group, including the ones that brought the lawsuit, has reported that funding was never restored. At the hearing on Tuesday, lawyers told Judge Ali that the only reasonable explanation was that the government had never taken steps to lift the blanket pause on foreign aid.

The administration argued in the filing that because the agencies had raced ahead to review the grants and contracts and determined that all but a fraction of them would be canceled, it had met the court’s demands by finishing “a good-faith, individualized assessment” of its programs.

“U.S.A.I.D. is in the process of processing termination letters with the goal to reach substantial completion within the next 24 to 48 hours,” it said. “As a result, no U.S.A.I.D. or State obligations remain in a suspended or paused state.”

According to the filing, the government identified around 3,200 contracts and grants that it decided to retain and was “committed to fully moving forward with the remaining awards.”

Judge Ali repeatedly pressed a lawyer representing the government to clarify whether any funds had been released since his directive earlier this month. The lawyer was unable to point to any sign that the aid money was flowing, and Judge Ali issued a new midnight deadline for the government to pay any outstanding invoices or drawdown requests that had come due before his Feb. 13 order.

According to Pete Marocco, the top Trump appointee in charge of foreign aid, the continued holdup was at least in part because of logistical issues. U.S.A.I.D. is facing roughly $1.5 billion in payment requests and the State Department has around $400 million more outstanding, Mr. Marocco said, which could not be handled immediately.

“These payments cannot be accomplished in the time allotted by the court and would instead take multiple weeks,” he wrote in a document supporting the government’s argument for more time filed on Wednesday.

In their own submissions on Wednesday, groups that had brought the legal challenge against the Trump administration listed a ream of complaints about how the Trump administration has proceeded.

Among them, lawyers argued that Trump officials “have added new layers of review to all disbursements of foreign assistance funds, including requiring line-by-line policy justifications for payments for past work that has already been approved through normal approval processes.”

Lawyers pointed to sworn statements by aid workers who said that because they had been unable to access funds as recently as Tuesday, they had been unable to go about their work overseas, including disbursing H.I.V. medications purchased with U.S. aid.

The State Department issued a waiver for PEPFAR weeks ago, allowing funding to flow to those programs. But several statements filed on Wednesday said that invoices related to PEPFAR still had not been paid.

Statements filed in support of the groups suing on Wednesday detailed other harms.

“Within my portfolio this means that starving children will not receive ready-to-use therapeutic foods, pregnant and breastfeeding women will not be screened for malnutrition, and refugee households will not be provided vouchers to purchase food for their families,” one worker wrote in a declaration.

Lawyers for the government said Judge Ali’s deadline to keep aid flowing was unrealistic.

“Additional time is required because restarting funding related to terminated or suspended agreements is not as simple as turning on a switch or faucet,” they wrote.

Lawyers for the aid groups also asked the court on Wednesday to allow them to call Mr. Marocco and Mr. Rubio to testify. In the filing they said that administration lawyers had “indicated that they would resist” Mr. Rubio being deposed under the apex doctrine, a legal theory that protects high-level executive branch officials from burdensome demands and potential harassment.

But the plaintiff’s lawyers noted that administration lawyers have said that Mr. Rubio had “personal involvement” in decisions about the foreign aid funding, making his testimony essential.
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Gotta love not getting paid for work you've already done that was agreed to be paid for before you did it. The Trump playbook in full effect. This won't have any flow in consequences I'm sure.
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US Supreme Court won't let Trump withhold payment to foreign aid groups
*Reuters is not paywalled to the best of my knowledge.

This is shameful, period.
Justice Alito wrote:"Does a single district court judge who likely lacks jurisdiction have the unchecked power to compel the government of the United States to pay out (and probably lose forever) 2 billion taxpayer dollars? The answer to that question should be an emphatic 'No,' but a majority of this court apparently thinks otherwise," Alito wrote. "I am stunned."
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oasisfan35 wrote:US Supreme Court won't let Trump withhold payment to foreign aid groups
*Reuters is not paywalled to the best of my knowledge.

This is shameful, period.
Justice Alito wrote:"Does a single district court judge who likely lacks jurisdiction have the unchecked power to compel the government of the United States to pay out (and probably lose forever) 2 billion taxpayer dollars? The answer to that question should be an emphatic 'No,' but a majority of this court apparently thinks otherwise," Alito wrote. "I am stunned."
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Higgs wrote:
oasisfan35 wrote:US Supreme Court won't let Trump withhold payment to foreign aid groups
*Reuters is not paywalled to the best of my knowledge.

This is shameful, period.
Justice Alito wrote:"Does a single district court judge who likely lacks jurisdiction have the unchecked power to compel the government of the United States to pay out (and probably lose forever) 2 billion taxpayer dollars? The answer to that question should be an emphatic 'No,' but a majority of this court apparently thinks otherwise," Alito wrote. "I am stunned."
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Justice Jackson wrote:Even assuming a likelihood that the law permits the Government to terminate parole grants in this fashion, I would let the courts decide that highly consequential legal issue first—consistent with standard stay practices and, especially, the necessary harm-centered focus. Instead, the Court allows the Government to do what it wants to do regardless, rendering constraints of law irrelevant and unleashing devastation in the process
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"JUSTICE JACKSON, dissenting. I agree with every word of JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR’s dissent. I write separately to emphasize a key conceptual point: The Court’s decision to permit the Executive to violate the Constitution with respect to anyone who has not yet sued is an existential threat to the rule of law."
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Context:
The Supreme Court on Friday agreed to allow President Trump to end birthright citizenship in some parts of the country, even as legal challenges to the constitutionality of the move proceed in other regions.

The 6-to-3 decision, which was written by Justice Amy Coney Barrett and split along ideological lines, is a major victory for Mr. Trump, and may dramatically reshape how citizenship is granted in the United States, even temporarily.
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4/5 wrote:
"JUSTICE JACKSON, dissenting. I agree with every word of JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR’s dissent. I write separately to emphasize a key conceptual point: The Court’s decision to permit the Executive to violate the Constitution with respect to anyone who has not yet sued is an existential threat to the rule of law."
I don't understand this part, is there an explanation somewhere?
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Bi_3 wrote:
4/5 wrote:
"JUSTICE JACKSON, dissenting. I agree with every word of JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR’s dissent. I write separately to emphasize a key conceptual point: The Court’s decision to permit the Executive to violate the Constitution with respect to anyone who has not yet sued is an existential threat to the rule of law."
I don't understand this part, is there an explanation somewhere?
The Court limited the type of nationwide injunctions against presidential actions that were used to put enforcement of Trump's birthright citizenship XO on hold while it went through the Courts. The dissenters believe this means that the action would only be paused now for the people who directly bring the lawsuit, meanwhile it would still be in effect against everybody else, thus allowing unconstitutional actions against anybody who isn't party to the lawsuit.

I'm going to read through this after lunch. I'm honestly not sure what to think so far.
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4/5 wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
4/5 wrote:
"JUSTICE JACKSON, dissenting. I agree with every word of JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR’s dissent. I write separately to emphasize a key conceptual point: The Court’s decision to permit the Executive to violate the Constitution with respect to anyone who has not yet sued is an existential threat to the rule of law."
I don't understand this part, is there an explanation somewhere?
The Court limited the type of nationwide injunctions against presidential actions that were used to put enforcement of Trump's birthright citizenship XO on hold while it went through the Courts. The dissenters believe this means that the action would only be paused now for the people who directly bring the lawsuit, meanwhile it would still be in effect against everybody else, thus allowing unconstitutional actions against anybody who isn't party to the lawsuit.

I'm going to read through this after lunch. I'm honestly not sure what to think so far.
It's a doozy...
Justice Jackson wrote:At the very least, I lament that the majority is so caught up in minutiae of the Government’s self-serving, finger-pointing arguments that it misses the plot.
I'll probably give it another run through this evening as I'm at work currently.
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4/5 wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
4/5 wrote:
"JUSTICE JACKSON, dissenting. I agree with every word of JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR’s dissent. I write separately to emphasize a key conceptual point: The Court’s decision to permit the Executive to violate the Constitution with respect to anyone who has not yet sued is an existential threat to the rule of law."
I don't understand this part, is there an explanation somewhere?
The Court limited the type of nationwide injunctions against presidential actions that were used to put enforcement of Trump's birthright citizenship XO on hold while it went through the Courts. The dissenters believe this means that the action would only be paused now for the people who directly bring the lawsuit, meanwhile it would still be in effect against everybody else, thus allowing unconstitutional actions against anybody who isn't party to the lawsuit.

I'm going to read through this after lunch. I'm honestly not sure what to think so far.
Thanks, this is beyond my understanding of how these things work. I assume that you cannot automatically include every citizen in a class, so that makes sense. You also cannot create a method to use the lower courts to unreasonably restrict the President from their legal authority over the executive branch, which is clearly happening. So that makes sense as well. But my uninformed mind agrees with what Jackson wrote in the quote, it certainly does open the door for unconstitutional orders written by the executive to go into effect before the Court has ruled on it. :?


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so nothing is unconstitutional unless and until someone has resources and sues. got it. makes perfect sense.

judges: "the executive order is clearly unconstitutional, but only insofar as it affects these plaintiffs, in this jurisdiction, before this court, and this district court judge."
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Chris_H_2 wrote:so nothing is unconstitutional unless and until someone has resources and sues. got it. makes perfect sense.

judges: "the executive order is clearly unconstitutional, but only insofar as it affects these plaintiffs, in this jurisdiction, before this court, and this district court judge."
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Chris_H_2 wrote:so nothing is unconstitutional unless and until someone has resources and sues. got it. makes perfect sense.

judges: "the executive order is clearly unconstitutional, but only insofar as it affects these plaintiffs, in this jurisdiction, before this court, and this district court judge."
I think this part attempts to explain it. Seems like a gap in 'checks and balances' between the executive and judiciary, where the court is saying even when the President breaks the law we will not:

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Bi_3 wrote:
Chris_H_2 wrote:so nothing is unconstitutional unless and until someone has resources and sues. got it. makes perfect sense.

judges: "the executive order is clearly unconstitutional, but only insofar as it affects these plaintiffs, in this jurisdiction, before this court, and this district court judge."
I think this part attempts to explain it. Seems like a gap in 'checks and balances' between the executive and judiciary, where the court is saying even when the President breaks the law we will not:

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nobody was compelling the white house to do anything. the district-court judge was enjoining the white house from acting contrary to the law. there's a big difference between a mandatory injunction (marbury v. madison) requiring the executive to act nationwide and a negative injunction enjoining a clearly unconstitutional order from taking effect nationwide.

ironically, this creates more of a loophole than it closes; you're going to have patchwork injunctions, and the forum shopping is going to be off the charts.
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