Red Mosquito

B wrote:Hey guys, "debate" does not require personal insults or wishes of death.

Self wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:I bet he's Blue cheese all the way.

This is unfair. Who gets buffalo wings without blue cheese? Eat the celery and carrots if it makes you feel better, but blue cheese is part of the deal.

Rob wrote:If I had to choose, blue cheese all the way. But I prefer no dressing. It's really easy to make your own wing sauce, and that's all you need.

Mickey wrote:

B wrote:Hey guys, "debate" does not require personal insults or wishes of death.

I hope the offender (Josh) has been issued a board warning then!

Bi_3 wrote:Sweden’s plan worked?

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/26/84521108 ... sador-says

According to the latest data from Johns Hopkins University, there are more than 18,500 confirmed coronavirus cases in Sweden, with 2,194 deaths as of Sunday.

These numbers don't bode well when compared to other Nordic countries. Denmark, which earlier this month relaxed some of its restrictions, is closing in on 8,800 coronavirus cases. Its death toll stands at 422. Finland recently extended its ban on mass gatherings through the summer. The country has more than 4,500 confirmed cases and reported 190 coronavirus deaths. Both Denmark and Finland have a population of around 5 million each, which is roughly half of that of Sweden.

There is no scientific proof, however, that people who have recovered from COVID-19 are actually protected from a second infection. The World Health Organization on Friday said the idea that one-time infection can lead to immunity remains unproven.

Mickey wrote:Also, based on what I've read, coronavirus family immunity can range from something like a year to eight years, so even if COVID-19 survivors have temporary immunity, the window on that could still determine whether this "worked" or not. Even 2-3 years gives you a window to get a vaccine going, but if you killed off a sizable fraction of your elderly population and the virus comes back in January, pretty hard to call that a win.

simple schoolboy wrote:

Mickey wrote:Also, based on what I've read, coronavirus family immunity can range from something like a year to eight years, so even if COVID-19 survivors have temporary immunity, the window on that could still determine whether this "worked" or not. Even 2-3 years gives you a window to get a vaccine going, but if you killed off a sizable fraction of your elderly population and the virus comes back in January, pretty hard to call that a win.

One year at the low end? I thought it was something like 2 months (depending on a lot of things). One year on the low end makes a seasonal vaccine something doable. I hope its something of that nature.

Mickey wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:Sweden’s plan worked?

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/26/84521108 ... sador-says

There's uhh two pretty big caveats in this bad boy:

According to the latest data from Johns Hopkins University, there are more than 18,500 confirmed coronavirus cases in Sweden, with 2,194 deaths as of Sunday.

These numbers don't bode well when compared to other Nordic countries. Denmark, which earlier this month relaxed some of its restrictions, is closing in on 8,800 coronavirus cases. Its death toll stands at 422. Finland recently extended its ban on mass gatherings through the summer. The country has more than 4,500 confirmed cases and reported 190 coronavirus deaths. Both Denmark and Finland have a population of around 5 million each, which is roughly half of that of Sweden.

And more importantly:

There is no scientific proof, however, that people who have recovered from COVID-19 are actually protected from a second infection. The World Health Organization on Friday said the idea that one-time infection can lead to immunity remains unproven.

You could argue that the death toll, which is almost twice per capita of its neighboring countries (via an 11% mortality rate compared to 4%), is worth a potentially lower unemployment rate/GDP reduction by shortening the crisis window. But that really only works if you can't get sick again, and while coronavirus infections in general usually lead to at least temporary immunity, until that's more secure I would be really wary of praising this.

tragabigzanda wrote:Just discovered this podcast, lots of good info/insights from some intelligent guests. Only listen if you believe in science.

https://peterattiamd.com/covid-19/