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durdencommatyler wrote:Dime, I think I'd tell a first timer to start work R1. It's the prologue to the epic novel. Though, it does render the opening crawl redundant and silly if you watch back to back.

i think you need to watch the ot first no matter what so effects dont feel dated. also, most of R1s emotional weight requires you to read the OT empire v rebel story back into the movie

I tried going back and reading some of this thread. Won't be attempting that bullshit again.

what did arnold white think of this movie and what it has to say about millenials, LV?

stip wrote:what did arnold white think of this movie and what it has to say about millenials, LV?

I actually think his review of this is terrible and nearly devoid of insight or exploration. It feels like he wrote it off without examining much of anything. Disappointing.

so its a typical review?

LoathedVermin72 wrote:I tried going back and reading some of this thread. Won't be attempting that bullshit again.

I blame dime

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:I tried going back and reading some of this thread. Won't be attempting that bullshit again.

I blame dime

The fandom menace.


Hey I can't be the worst pearl jam fan and the worst Star Wars on RM.
There are far worse than me.

dimejinky99 wrote:Yknow one thing I was really worried about and rogue one pulled off in spades?

The space battle scenes.

The x wings move like and are shot exactly like those in a new hope. But yet still manages to be modern and fast paced. The other ships in the fleet could be exactly from Jedi and they are shot the same but in new ways too that fit perfectly.


They did a great job with that

Full credit should be given for how they were able to take things we should be fully jaded by saturation about by now...the sight of the Death Star, space battles involving noncharacters, imperial walkers, Darth Vader swinging a lightsaber...and make them all feel as exciting as if we'd never seen them before. Old DV with his red blade felt more remarkable than all of the cornball lightsaber shit we've seen since Jedi. And frankly, made this "well this lightsaber has two blades, and this one has three but two are wrist guards," game seem...cute.

This was probably my favorite Star Wars movie so far (though I'm not a big Star Wars fan in general).

stip wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Dime, I think I'd tell a first timer to start work R1. It's the prologue to the epic novel. Though, it does render the opening crawl redundant and silly if you watch back to back.

i think you need to watch the ot first no matter what so effects dont feel dated. also, most of R1s emotional weight requires you to read the OT empire v rebel story back into the movie

I disagree. I think this stands fine on its own. The references require you to read the OT empire v rebel story back into the movie. The emotional weight is there without the other films, though. And maybe even stronger or more potent when you don't know the inevitable outcome of the mission.

im not so sure about that. this film doesnt paint the rebellion in a particularly flattering lught. its just that the empire is worse

the sheer existence of the empire, the power of the images, that all depends on what has come before. edwards does a masterful job playing with someone else's iconography, not creating his own.

stip wrote:im not so sure about that. this film doesnt paint the rebellion in a particularly flattering lught. its just that the empire is worse

It's a formative stage, unfocused rebellion. Desperate, doubtful of their ability to engage the empire in open warfare, and undercutting its ideals with "what choice do we have" as justification. So, basically every rebellion or terrorist organization ever.

sure. my point is that we are invested because we know what the empire is and what it will become

When you think about it, Jyn is arguably the most significant figure to the success of the Rebellion in any movie.

up there w luke han and leia for sure

the poll has spoken. Stip and Dime must never watch a Star Wars movie again. Such is the punishment for being on the wrong side of history.

I second that motion.

we're just ahead of our time

Figured out my problem with this film.

It's a film shot within current tastes. It could be a marvel film. Every film is just film shot like that now.

It's 'hip'. It's 'current'


No Star Wars film has ever done that. They've usually avoided it. And rightly so.


They speak to their time in message. Sure. But they never use the language of filmmaking in their time to get across.

That's why Star Wars doesn't really date. Cos there's magic behind it.


This film is going to date badly. Very badly.