Red Mosquito

elliseamos wrote:

simple schoolboy wrote:Are ellis et al under the impression that CAs Assault Weapon Ban prevents people from owning AR pattern weapons? All it really does is limit what muzzle device you can use (not a huge deal) and requires you to use weird grips and fixed stocks. You comply with that and you have a dumber looking, but still very capable rifle.

If this is upheld, Californians won't be mocked for the less ergonomic plastic bits on their guns. Thats is. Thats the implication here.

There isn't even constructive posession. Own whatever plastic bits and muzzle devices that you want, just don't install certain combinations at the same time.

My post is solely about how silly the judges statement was and how his track record on guns made this an obvious decision from him.

It was an obvious decision based on the precedents of Miller and Heller.

He also undermined the likely 9th Circuits application of Intermediate scrunity, which shouldn't even be appropriate for a fundemental right like this.

The State made a piss poor case of establishing a compelling state interest, arguing that they prefer people defending themselves to be less accurate, in addition to relying on a raft of dubious statistics.

The 9th will likely slap it down because they're the 9th, but he anticipated and addressed most likely counter arguments.

If Miller isn't still good law, then his ruling can largely be undercut. I don't know what the general consensus on Miller is, and was hoping GH could enlighten us. Heller seems to rely on Miller, with the new standard that weapons in common use cannot be prohibited, as opposed to the ruling in Miller that uncommon weapons without Militia utility can be banned.

People really shouldn't shoot crowds of innocent people like that.

More guns in the hands of every red blooded American man, woman and child would’ve prevented those shootings.

might've helped.

… but probably would’ve added to the victim count. It’s just a hobby for most of those good guys with guns.

Cops have a much worse track record than permitted carriers when it comes to shooting bystanders. I see this trope a lot, but examples of joe gun owner returning fire and hitting the wrong person seem incredibly rare. Much of that has to do with the typical scenarios being different, of course.

In the 2012 Empire State building shooting, two cops managed to injure 9 bystanders in the process of shooting one armed suspect. Their New York trigger might have contributed, but they were something like 20 feet behind the guy and managed to miss with a significant number of their shots.

The more I've read about the Miller ruling I don't understand how the idea that one would need to be a militia member in order to own guns isn't a thing.

elliseamos wrote:The more I've read about the Miller ruling I don't understand how the idea that one would need to be a militia member in order to own guns isn't a thing.

We are members of the militia, except for the olds.

10 U.S. Code § 246 - Militia: composition and classes wrote:(a)The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b)The classes of the militia are—
(1)the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

simple schoolboy wrote:

elliseamos wrote:The more I've read about the Miller ruling I don't understand how the idea that one would need to be a militia member in order to own guns isn't a thing.

We are members of the militia, except for the olds.

10 U.S. Code § 246 - Militia: composition and classes wrote:(a)The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b)The classes of the militia are—
(1)the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

So guns should be confiscated from those over 45. Sold!

The other day driving by the apartments near Lowe's I saw a guy and a lady placing a shotgun in the trunk of their car. Probably nothing, but I did have one of those "did that just happen?" moments and then went about my day.

washing machine wrote:The other day driving by the apartments near Lowe's I saw a guy and a lady placing a shotgun in the trunk of their car. Probably nothing, but I did have one of those "did that just happen?" moments and then went about my day.

why do you think it took both of them to place it there?

doug rr wrote:

washing machine wrote:The other day driving by the apartments near Lowe's I saw a guy and a lady placing a shotgun in the trunk of their car. Probably nothing, but I did have one of those "did that just happen?" moments and then went about my day.

why do you think it took both of them to place it there?

I'm sure one of them just made the other one get their fingerprints on the gun as a form of "insurance". No big deal.

washing machine wrote:

doug rr wrote:

washing machine wrote:The other day driving by the apartments near Lowe's I saw a guy and a lady placing a shotgun in the trunk of their car. Probably nothing, but I did have one of those "did that just happen?" moments and then went about my day.

why do you think it took both of them to place it there?

I'm sure one of them just made the other one get their fingerprints on the gun as a form of "insurance". No big deal.

did you go to lowe's?

doug rr wrote:

washing machine wrote:

doug rr wrote:

washing machine wrote:The other day driving by the apartments near Lowe's I saw a guy and a lady placing a shotgun in the trunk of their car. Probably nothing, but I did have one of those "did that just happen?" moments and then went about my day.

why do you think it took both of them to place it there?

I'm sure one of them just made the other one get their fingerprints on the gun as a form of "insurance". No big deal.

did you go to lowe's?

Nah, I was headed back from a trip to Old Navy in the same shopping center.

washing machine wrote:

doug rr wrote:

washing machine wrote:

doug rr wrote:

washing machine wrote:The other day driving by the apartments near Lowe's I saw a guy and a lady placing a shotgun in the trunk of their car. Probably nothing, but I did have one of those "did that just happen?" moments and then went about my day.

why do you think it took both of them to place it there?

I'm sure one of them just made the other one get their fingerprints on the gun as a form of "insurance". No big deal.

did you go to lowe's?

Nah, I was headed back from a trip to Old Navy in the same shopping center.

i bought 2 long sleeve t's from there last week..what did you get?

doug rr wrote:

washing machine wrote:

doug rr wrote:

washing machine wrote:

doug rr wrote:

washing machine wrote:The other day driving by the apartments near Lowe's I saw a guy and a lady placing a shotgun in the trunk of their car. Probably nothing, but I did have one of those "did that just happen?" moments and then went about my day.

why do you think it took both of them to place it there?

I'm sure one of them just made the other one get their fingerprints on the gun as a form of "insurance". No big deal.

did you go to lowe's?

Nah, I was headed back from a trip to Old Navy in the same shopping center.

i bought 2 long sleeve t's from there last week..what did you get?

3-pack of child sized face coverings.

washing machine wrote:

doug rr wrote:

washing machine wrote:

doug rr wrote:

washing machine wrote:

doug rr wrote:

washing machine wrote:The other day driving by the apartments near Lowe's I saw a guy and a lady placing a shotgun in the trunk of their car. Probably nothing, but I did have one of those "did that just happen?" moments and then went about my day.

why do you think it took both of them to place it there?

I'm sure one of them just made the other one get their fingerprints on the gun as a form of "insurance". No big deal.

did you go to lowe's?

Nah, I was headed back from a trip to Old Navy in the same shopping center.

i bought 2 long sleeve t's from there last week..what did you get?

3-pack of child sized face coverings.

did you stop to try anything on?

doug rr wrote:

washing machine wrote:

doug rr wrote:

washing machine wrote:

doug rr wrote:

washing machine wrote:

doug rr wrote:

washing machine wrote:The other day driving by the apartments near Lowe's I saw a guy and a lady placing a shotgun in the trunk of their car. Probably nothing, but I did have one of those "did that just happen?" moments and then went about my day.

why do you think it took both of them to place it there?

I'm sure one of them just made the other one get their fingerprints on the gun as a form of "insurance". No big deal.

did you go to lowe's?

Nah, I was headed back from a trip to Old Navy in the same shopping center.

i bought 2 long sleeve t's from there last week..what did you get?

3-pack of child sized face coverings.

did you stop to try anything on?

Nah

washing machine wrote:

doug rr wrote:

washing machine wrote:

doug rr wrote:

washing machine wrote:

doug rr wrote:

washing machine wrote:

doug rr wrote:

washing machine wrote:The other day driving by the apartments near Lowe's I saw a guy and a lady placing a shotgun in the trunk of their car. Probably nothing, but I did have one of those "did that just happen?" moments and then went about my day.

why do you think it took both of them to place it there?

I'm sure one of them just made the other one get their fingerprints on the gun as a form of "insurance". No big deal.

did you go to lowe's?

Nah, I was headed back from a trip to Old Navy in the same shopping center.

i bought 2 long sleeve t's from there last week..what did you get?

3-pack of child sized face coverings.

did you stop to try anything on?

Nah