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Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Sun April 21, 2013 3:42 am
by nyquillyn
durdencommatyler wrote:turned2black wrote:I can understand saying that the guitars on a new Stone album would be more interesting than a new PJ album, but saying Stone's voice sounds better than Eddie's is all sorts of crazy.
I think Stone's voice is more interesting and cleaner on Bayleaf than Ed's on Backspacer. Pound for pound. There are exceptions, of course. But Stone sounds great on that record. And I love all the little flourishes -- the cool vocal layering and hidden sounds.
I think he sounds terrible. His voice lacks any sort of character or depth. I find nothing interesting about it. It's not even "quirky" enough to draw me in.
Like I said in the Moonlander thread, I recently play Bayleaf a couple of times and found a lot of the guitars and song structures really cool, but that vocal delivery means I can really only "tolerate" the album.
Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Sun April 21, 2013 3:48 am
by epilogue
turned2black wrote:durdencommatyler wrote:turned2black wrote:I can understand saying that the guitars on a new Stone album would be more interesting than a new PJ album, but saying Stone's voice sounds better than Eddie's is all sorts of crazy.
I think Stone's voice is more interesting and cleaner on Bayleaf than Ed's on Backspacer. Pound for pound. There are exceptions, of course. But Stone sounds great on that record. And I love all the little flourishes -- the cool vocal layering and hidden sounds.
I think he sounds terrible. His voice lacks any sort of character or depth. I find nothing interesting about it. It's not even "quirky" enough to draw me in.
Like I said in the Moonlander thread, I recently play Bayleaf a couple of times and found a lot of the guitars and song structures really cool, but that vocal delivery means I can really only "tolerate" the album.
Different strokes, ya know.
I've been listening to Bayleaf a lot over the last few days. I've always loved the album, but even I was surprised by how much I liked Stone's vocals on these latest listens.
Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Sun April 21, 2013 8:32 am
by dimejinky99
Merkinballs songs work on No Code for me. It's not that much of a shoe horn given they were probably written around the same time or near enough. I got shit being on there would take the shine off a lot of No Codes rock songs though. It's better than most of them. And better played too. Maybe cos Neil is on it, you just know they did maybe two takes and went with the better one. It's got almost a live feel to it that nothing on No Code feels like it has.
That alone makes it rare in PJ's catalogue. Wish they'd take that approach more often.
Long Road I'm not sure. Where would you put it? It would be a great closer. But why invite you on the long road and then close with it? It would leave an unsatisfied taste. Or something.
Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Sun April 21, 2013 10:41 am
by stip
turned2black wrote:durdencommatyler wrote:turned2black wrote:I can understand saying that the guitars on a new Stone album would be more interesting than a new PJ album, but saying Stone's voice sounds better than Eddie's is all sorts of crazy.
I think Stone's voice is more interesting and cleaner on Bayleaf than Ed's on Backspacer. Pound for pound. There are exceptions, of course. But Stone sounds great on that record. And I love all the little flourishes -- the cool vocal layering and hidden sounds.
I think he sounds terrible. His voice lacks any sort of character or depth. I find nothing interesting about it. It's not even "quirky" enough to draw me in.
Like I said in the Moonlander thread, I recently play Bayleaf a couple of times and found a lot of the guitars and song structures really cool, but that vocal delivery means I can really only "tolerate" the album.
yup
Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Sun April 21, 2013 8:16 pm
by Norah
Team Joey.
But it's not better than Binaural.
Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Sun April 21, 2013 9:52 pm
by Blenheim Augustine
durdencommatyler wrote:I've been listening to Bayleaf a lot over the last few days. I've always loved the album, but even I was surprised by how much I liked Stone's vocals on these latest listens.
Remember that Stone is only doing the lead vocal on 7 of the 10 tracks.
Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Sun April 21, 2013 9:53 pm
by VinylGuy
Blenheim Augustine wrote:durdencommatyler wrote:I've been listening to Bayleaf a lot over the last few days. I've always loved the album, but even I was surprised by how much I liked Stone's vocals on these latest listens.
Remember that Stone is only doing the lead vocal on 7 of the 10 tracks.
Bayleaf is great. Stone vocals too.
NEXT!
Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Sun April 21, 2013 11:51 pm
by Coach
its_not_1974 wrote:Lament wrote:Kevin Davis wrote:Merkinball feels much more like a dusting off of Vitalogy's workbench than it feels like the preliminary foundations for No Code.
I kinda think Merkinball feels like the seeds of the album #4 they decided not to make. I Got Shit, Long Road, Falling Down, Open Road, Red Mosquito, Lukin, Habit, Brain of J...the stuff that appeared in 1995 suggests that there may have initially been a very different direction they had in mind for the next record. There's probably a great alternate album to be put together there.
This makes a lot of fucking sense. Now I am sad.
This does make sense. Such a strong point in Pearl Jam's career.
The 1995 version of Brain of J is stronger than what appeared on Yield.
Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Sun April 21, 2013 11:53 pm
by elliseamos
Coach wrote:its_not_1974 wrote:Lament wrote:Kevin Davis wrote:Merkinball feels much more like a dusting off of Vitalogy's workbench than it feels like the preliminary foundations for No Code.
I kinda think Merkinball feels like the seeds of the album #4 they decided not to make. I Got Shit, Long Road, Falling Down, Open Road, Red Mosquito, Lukin, Habit, Brain of J...the stuff that appeared in 1995 suggests that there may have initially been a very different direction they had in mind for the next record. There's probably a great alternate album to be put together there.
This makes a lot of fucking sense. Now I am sad.
This does make sense. Such a strong point in Pearl Jam's career.
The 1995 version of Brain of J is stronger than what appeared on Yield.
so neil young robbed us of something special?!!
Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Mon April 22, 2013 12:18 am
by stip
was brain of J played a lot in 95? I just have one random live version of it floating around. A fantastic 95 Red Mosquito as well.
Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Mon April 22, 2013 12:32 am
by Coach
stip wrote:was brain of J played a lot in 95? I just have one random live version of it floating around. A fantastic 95 Red Mosquito as well.
I think brain of j was played just twice in 1995, but it was stellar back then.
Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Mon April 22, 2013 12:33 am
by WtOB?
Coach !
Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Mon April 22, 2013 12:38 am
by Coach
Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Mon April 22, 2013 12:41 am
by stip
Coach wrote:stip wrote:was brain of J played a lot in 95? I just have one random live version of it floating around. A fantastic 95 Red Mosquito as well.
I think brain of j was played just twice in 1995, but it was stellar back then.
now I wish I hadn't boxed up all those old bootlegs
Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Mon April 22, 2013 12:47 am
by Coach
stip wrote:Coach wrote:stip wrote:was brain of J played a lot in 95? I just have one random live version of it floating around. A fantastic 95 Red Mosquito as well.
I think brain of j was played just twice in 1995, but it was stellar back then.
now I wish I hadn't boxed up all those old bootlegs
There's one from 95 called "Anxiety' and it's from San Jose I believe. It is one of my favorite bootlegs. Paid 49 bucks for it back in the day and think its still worth the money.
Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Mon April 22, 2013 1:19 am
by Strat
"Oh jackie O, how i feel for you now!"
Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Mon April 22, 2013 3:07 pm
by epilogue
cutuphalfdead wrote:Team Joey.
But it's not better than Binaural.
I'm not saying Bayleaf is a better album, just that on that particular day I was more in the mood for Bayleaf.
Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Mon April 22, 2013 3:27 pm
by stonefury
Lament wrote:durdencommatyler wrote:Lament wrote:durdencommatyler wrote:I don't think I've ever heard Open Road. I'll have to look it up.
It's probably more of a very structured "jam," but it seems to be an idea that they'd been kicking around (or at least worked on before playing it), and sonically it fits in very well with I Got Shit/Falling Down/Red Mosquito and the other summer of 95 songs.
Are there lyrics and/or vocals?
Yeah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asBmQXEsm5M
It's a slow burner, but it feels like it had the potential to really become something special.
Yeah, this is one of my favorites. It definitely does not feel like it was made up on the spot. I wish they turned it into a full-fledged album track and took it on the road again.
According to Five Horizons, they may have sound-checked it in Phoenix in 1998.
Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Mon April 22, 2013 3:56 pm
by Strat
stonefury wrote:Lament wrote:durdencommatyler wrote:Lament wrote:durdencommatyler wrote:I don't think I've ever heard Open Road. I'll have to look it up.
It's probably more of a very structured "jam," but it seems to be an idea that they'd been kicking around (or at least worked on before playing it), and sonically it fits in very well with I Got Shit/Falling Down/Red Mosquito and the other summer of 95 songs.
Are there lyrics and/or vocals?
Yeah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asBmQXEsm5M
It's a slow burner, but it feels like it had the potential to really become something special.
Yeah, this is one of my favorites. It definitely does not feel like it was made up on the spot. I wish they turned it into a full-fledged album track and took it on the road again.
According to Five Horizons, they may have sound-checked it in Phoenix in 1998.
I believe the old Rumor Pit addressed this issue back in the day. it is not an improv but an actual written song. I have always lvoed it.
Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Mon April 22, 2013 4:47 pm
by given2trade
BurtReynolds wrote:It would go from number 1 to number 1.
