Red Mosquito

Seems to work perfectly with Apple Music.

I’ve got Spotify Premium as well, but it’s a bit of a mess.

verb_to_trust wrote:2000 and 2003 tours sounded great. Was so into the band at the time. Excited to throw some of these on. Spotify is something I use constantly so whatever to the deep website.

This.

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I've listened to these two so far while running this week. It got me thinking about how because of the internet we have this pile of music to play with but the internet has also probably ruined music and society in general. In 2000 this band was on fire in Boise and Lubbock. Now they play 5 cities every few years and sound like crap. Communal experiences are less vital. There's less urgency in the digital world. Too much immediacy.

verb_to_trust wrote:NOLA 00
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I've listened to these two so far while running this week. It got me thinking about how because of the internet we have this pile of music to play with but the internet has also probably ruined music and society in general. In 2000 this band was on fire in Boise and Lubbock. Now they play 5 cities every few years and sound like crap. Communal experiences are less vital. There's less urgency in the digital world. Too much immediacy.

I agree.

verb_to_trust wrote:NOLA 00
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I've listened to these two so far while running this week. It got me thinking about how because of the internet we have this pile of music to play with but the internet has also probably ruined music and society in general. In 2000 this band was on fire in Boise and Lubbock. Now they play 5 cities every few years and sound like crap. Communal experiences are less vital. There's less urgency in the digital world. Too much immediacy.

Theyre also reaching 60 and have played xxxxx shows.

Strat wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:NOLA 00
ST LOUIS 00

I've listened to these two so far while running this week. It got me thinking about how because of the internet we have this pile of music to play with but the internet has also probably ruined music and society in general. In 2000 this band was on fire in Boise and Lubbock. Now they play 5 cities every few years and sound like crap. Communal experiences are less vital. There's less urgency in the digital world. Too much immediacy.

Theyre also reaching 60 and have played xxxxx shows.

I get that but these shows felt more vital at the time. We couldn't watch the YouTube clips.

verb_to_trust wrote:

Strat wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:NOLA 00
ST LOUIS 00

I've listened to these two so far while running this week. It got me thinking about how because of the internet we have this pile of music to play with but the internet has also probably ruined music and society in general. In 2000 this band was on fire in Boise and Lubbock. Now they play 5 cities every few years and sound like crap. Communal experiences are less vital. There's less urgency in the digital world. Too much immediacy.

Theyre also reaching 60 and have played xxxxx shows.

I get that but these shows felt more vital at the time. We couldn't watch the YouTube clips.

There was a mystery to each performance.

verb_to_trust wrote:NOLA 00
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I've listened to these two so far while running this week. It got me thinking about how because of the internet we have this pile of music to play with but the internet has also probably ruined music and society in general. In 2000 this band was on fire in Boise and Lubbock. Now they play 5 cities every few years and sound like crap. Communal experiences are less vital. There's less urgency in the digital world. Too much immediacy.

This is totally incoherent.

The band playing and sounding better in 2000 than they do now has nothing to do with the internet (?).

The band (and Ed's vocal cords) were 20 years younger, they were much more invested in performing well, they were drawing from a much smaller and more deliberately curated pool of songs, etc.

* accidental double-post

Monkey_Driven wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

Strat wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:NOLA 00
ST LOUIS 00

I've listened to these two so far while running this week. It got me thinking about how because of the internet we have this pile of music to play with but the internet has also probably ruined music and society in general. In 2000 this band was on fire in Boise and Lubbock. Now they play 5 cities every few years and sound like crap. Communal experiences are less vital. There's less urgency in the digital world. Too much immediacy.

Theyre also reaching 60 and have played xxxxx shows.

I get that but these shows felt more vital at the time. We couldn't watch the YouTube clips.

There was a mystery to each performance.

And it was organic, not some meme version of a pearl jam show based on that mystery. When they finally play live again I wouldn't be surprised if they opened with Lebetter.

Birds in Hell wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:NOLA 00
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I've listened to these two so far while running this week. It got me thinking about how because of the internet we have this pile of music to play with but the internet has also probably ruined music and society in general. In 2000 this band was on fire in Boise and Lubbock. Now they play 5 cities every few years and sound like crap. Communal experiences are less vital. There's less urgency in the digital world. Too much immediacy.

This is totally incoherent.

The band playing and sounding better in 2000 than they do now has nothing to do with the internet (?).

The band (and Ed's vocal cords) were 20 years younger, they were much more invested in performing well, they were drawing from a much smaller and more deliberately curated pool of songs, etc.

Yes, all that is true. It's also true that there weren't thousands of people watching the show through their cell phones at Alpine 03.

verb_to_trust wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:NOLA 00
ST LOUIS 00

I've listened to these two so far while running this week. It got me thinking about how because of the internet we have this pile of music to play with but the internet has also probably ruined music and society in general. In 2000 this band was on fire in Boise and Lubbock. Now they play 5 cities every few years and sound like crap. Communal experiences are less vital. There's less urgency in the digital world. Too much immediacy.

This is totally incoherent.

The band playing and sounding better in 2000 than they do now has nothing to do with the internet (?).

The band (and Ed's vocal cords) were 20 years younger, they were much more invested in performing well, they were drawing from a much smaller and more deliberately curated pool of songs, etc.

Yes, all that is true. It's also true that there weren't thousands of people watching the show through their cell phones at Alpine 03.

I’ve seen some of those Radiohead (to pick a band of a similar vintage) shows they’ve uploaded to YouTube in the past year.

Plenty of cell phones in the audience but the band still sound fantastic.

They’re still putting out good records too.

Maybe it’s not the cell phones.

Ok man

I don’t think it’s a good bad thing but more a difference in the band’s approach.

The 2000 tour is really a band with something still to prove, and there’s an immediacy to the performances because they songs were still pretty young (as was the band members). I think that tour closer in 2000 in Seattle is one of those watershed moments for Pearl Jam. Suddenly they were this thing that was bigger than just a rock band banging out tunes. A collective sense of having made it - both in terms of through a long tour with heavy hearts from Roskilde, but also perhaps on the other end of history for the band - like they reached a summit of sorts. Since then, the band has slowly migrated to playing to their legacy, be it for a few songs, or an encore in 2003 to the modern day nearly 20 years later when much of the show feels like a celebration of what the band has done. It still has the result of some killer live shows, but it’s not the same thing as before.

Granted, a lot of this is the space between albums and shows not featuring new songs needing to find their space. Perhaps this Gigaton tour, when it happens, will reignite those flames...

Somebody make a gigantic playlist on spotify

The Its OK tag from Virginia Beach that first night is the defining moment of PJ's second decade. Every move since then has been about redemption.

liebzz wrote:I don’t think it’s a good bad thing but more a difference in the band’s approach.

The 2000 tour is really a band with something still to prove, and there’s an immediacy to the performances because they songs were still pretty young (as was the band members). I think that tour closer in 2000 in Seattle is one of those watershed moments for Pearl Jam. Suddenly they were this thing that was bigger than just a rock band banging out tunes. A collective sense of having made it - both in terms of through a long tour with heavy hearts from Roskilde, but also perhaps on the other end of history for the band - like they reached a summit of sorts. Since then, the band has slowly migrated to playing to their legacy, be it for a few songs, or an encore in 2003 to the modern day nearly 20 years later when much of the show feels like a celebration of what the band has done. It still has the result of some killer live shows, but it’s not the same thing as before.

Granted, a lot of this is the space between albums and shows not featuring new songs needing to find their space. Perhaps this Gigaton tour, when it happens, will reignite those flames...

arthurdent wrote:The Its OK tag from Virginia Beach that first night is the defining moment of PJ's second decade. Every move since then has been about redemption.

liebzz wrote:I don’t think it’s a good bad thing but more a difference in the band’s approach.

The 2000 tour is really a band with something still to prove, and there’s an immediacy to the performances because they songs were still pretty young (as was the band members). I think that tour closer in 2000 in Seattle is one of those watershed moments for Pearl Jam. Suddenly they were this thing that was bigger than just a rock band banging out tunes. A collective sense of having made it - both in terms of through a long tour with heavy hearts from Roskilde, but also perhaps on the other end of history for the band - like they reached a summit of sorts. Since then, the band has slowly migrated to playing to their legacy, be it for a few songs, or an encore in 2003 to the modern day nearly 20 years later when much of the show feels like a celebration of what the band has done. It still has the result of some killer live shows, but it’s not the same thing as before.

Granted, a lot of this is the space between albums and shows not featuring new songs needing to find their space. Perhaps this Gigaton tour, when it happens, will reignite those flames...

This was for me also the first (maybe only) tour that I followed closely online. There was something still mystical (?) about the band and that 2000 run. Binaural wasn't hugely popular outside the fanbase, the rhythm of the setlists wasn't established, and there were still plently of rarities.

Agree about the Seattle shows and the turning point- these were some of the highlights from the touring Band DVD.

Another highlight from the '03 tour were the Wishlist tags. My personal favorite is the "I Love This Country" tag from San Antonio, TX 4/5/03

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQaS0Z9caxM

Put up shows from 93, 94, 95, 96, 97 and 98 goddammit.

And PJ20