Red Mosquito

stip wrote:I still think 10 was quite well done.

I thought Vs/Vitalogy was a slight improvement on that one but still fell far short of what they could have done.

Explain how!

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Birds in Hell wrote:

B wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:I'll be pleased if there's no more reissues for the time being, I thought they did quite a poor job of the first three records (at least in terms of content.)

They definitely should reissue the catalogue on vinyl for whoever wants them, though.

I have a funny feeling that regardless of how long it takes them, their product will fall short of your standards.

Nonsense, they've done plenty to please me lately: the offering of 24 bit FLAC bootlegs, the release of Vault #3 and Mind Your Manners being available to download in FLAC (and sounding much better than Backspacer) to name a few.

Lots of artists are putting out great archival reissues, the current Smashing Pumpkins series is really well done; it would've been entirely possible for Pearl Jam to do something similar but they really blew it.

I wonder if they focus on memorabilia and less on the music. It's hard to argue that the boxes and everything in them aren't really cool.

B wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

B wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:I'll be pleased if there's no more reissues for the time being, I thought they did quite a poor job of the first three records (at least in terms of content.)

They definitely should reissue the catalogue on vinyl for whoever wants them, though.

I have a funny feeling that regardless of how long it takes them, their product will fall short of your standards.

Nonsense, they've done plenty to please me lately: the offering of 24 bit FLAC bootlegs, the release of Vault #3 and Mind Your Manners being available to download in FLAC (and sounding much better than Backspacer) to name a few.

Lots of artists are putting out great archival reissues, the current Smashing Pumpkins series is really well done; it would've been entirely possible for Pearl Jam to do something similar but they really blew it.

I wonder if they focus on memorabilia and less on the music. It's hard to argue that the boxes and everything in them aren't really cool.

Yeah, the boxes and trinkets are admittedly of virtually no interest to me.

Birds in Hell wrote:

B wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

B wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:I'll be pleased if there's no more reissues for the time being, I thought they did quite a poor job of the first three records (at least in terms of content.)

They definitely should reissue the catalogue on vinyl for whoever wants them, though.

I have a funny feeling that regardless of how long it takes them, their product will fall short of your standards.

Nonsense, they've done plenty to please me lately: the offering of 24 bit FLAC bootlegs, the release of Vault #3 and Mind Your Manners being available to download in FLAC (and sounding much better than Backspacer) to name a few.

Lots of artists are putting out great archival reissues, the current Smashing Pumpkins series is really well done; it would've been entirely possible for Pearl Jam to do something similar but they really blew it.

I wonder if they focus on memorabilia and less on the music. It's hard to argue that the boxes and everything in them aren't really cool.

Yeah, the boxes and trinkets are admittedly of virtually no interest to me.

Me either. I look at them once and never again. I couldn't even tell you what each of them has inside. Except the Mamasan tape. That's kinda cool.

I'll admit they're not worth $100, but I like to have them.

B wrote:I'll admit they're not worth $100, but I like to have them.

Oh, me too. And I'll buy the next one. For sure.

durdencommatyler wrote:

B wrote:I'll admit they're not worth $100, but I like to have them.

Oh, me too. And I'll buy the next one. For sure.

Yeah they worked in taking me back in time and making me feel like a warm and fuzzy fanboi.

besides the artwork/packaging stuff Ten gave us an entire remix of the album, plus two shows from that period and a pretty good colleciton of b-sides and rough mixes, didn't it.

acually what did we get in that box other songwise? breath, solat, brother, just a girl, 10k mile blues. anything else?

stip wrote:besides the artwork/packaging stuff Ten gave us an entire remix of the album, plus two shows from that period and a pretty good colleciton of b-sides and rough mixes, didn't it.

I thought the selection of bonus tracks was measly and haphazard; there's plenty of material from the Ten sessions, and the later material recorded during that same era with Abbruzzese on drums that was ignored wholesale, that I felt should've been included. The after-the-fact meddling on what was included (new vocals on Brother, removing vocals from Oceans on the Unplugged DVD) was unnecessary and, to me, seems against the archival spirit of a release like this.

The bonus material was spread across a number of unwieldy formats: the live show was available on vinyl only and the demo tracks were only pressed to cassette. There should (like the Smashing Pumpkins reissues) either be an option for digital download at full CD quality or they should be available on CD too, it's just needlessly frustrating.

The live show, format issues aside, was somewhat underwhelming too. O'Brien's mixing of their live releases has always left a lot to be desired when compared to Brett Eliason's efforts and, at a time when little was officially available in terms of vintage live material, the show was incomplete and riddled with inexplicable fade-outs.

There was basically no aspect of that release that I felt was done well, virtually everything was hampered by some kind of flaw.

Birds in Hell wrote:

stip wrote:besides the artwork/packaging stuff Ten gave us an entire remix of the album, plus two shows from that period and a pretty good colleciton of b-sides and rough mixes, didn't it.

I thought the selection of bonus tracks was measly and haphazard; there's plenty of material from the Ten sessions, and the later material recorded during that same era with Abbruzzese on drums that was ignored wholesale, that I felt should've been included. The after-the-fact meddling on what was included (new vocals on Brother, removing vocals from Oceans on the Unplugged DVD) was unnecessary and, to me, seems against the archival spirit of a release like this.

The bonus material was spread across a number of unwieldy formats: the live show was available on vinyl only and the demo tracks were only pressed to cassette. There should (like the Smashing Pumpkins reissues) either be an option for digital download at full CD quality or they should be available on CD too, it's just needlessly frustrating.

The live show, format issues aside, was somewhat underwhelming too. O'Brien's mixing of their live releases has always left a lot to be desired when compared to Brett Eliason's efforts and, at a time when little was officially available in terms of vintage live material, the show was incomplete and riddled with inexplicable fade-outs.

There was basically no aspect of that release that I felt was done well, virtually everything was hampered by some kind of flaw.

Team spenno.

fair points, although I like the vocal remix on brother. They tend to focus less on the archival stuff and more on giving people what they dont have. The original brother is not exactly hard to find. so this was something new

Birds in Hell wrote:

B wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote: the current Smashing Pumpkins series is really well done; it would've been entirely possible for Pearl Jam to do something similar but they really blew it.

To a certain extent, yes, but now I have to fork out over $100 on the aeroplane vinyl cause i'm an idiot.

I thought the ten and vs/vitalogy deluxe sets were really nice.

I have no complaint about the live stuff being in the big box only. What's the point of a big box if it doesn't contain some exclusive stuff. The fact is, those complaining want the live stuff, but not quite enough to invest in the box. Sometimes in life, one must make a choice btw two imperfect choices.

Unless you just can't afford the box, which is a bummer, but it's also the nature of a boxed set.

B wrote:I have no complaint about the live stuff being in the big box only.

Uh, me either.

B wrote:Sometimes in life, one must make a choice btw two imperfect choices.

Unless you just can't afford the box, which is a bummer, but it's also the nature of a boxed set.

B, who are you responding to?

Who was complaining about the Orpheum show or Drop in the Park only being on vinyl?

B wrote:Who was complaining about the Orpheum show or Drop in the Park only being on vinyl?

Me, but I'm mystified as to how you construed that as a complaint about either the price of the set or the idea that differently-priced versions of the reissue have different content.

Birds in Hell wrote:

B wrote:Who was complaining about the Orpheum show or Drop in the Park only being on vinyl?

Me, but I'm mystified as to how you construed that as a complaint about either the price of the set or the idea that differently-priced versions of the reissue have different content.

I guess I was assuming that your complaint was that the only way you could obtain the official recording was to invest >$100 on the boxed set and did not have a more affordable option such as CD or download.

Wait. Orpheum was in the 3CD box, right? Was Drop in the Park the only vinyl only recording?