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Re: 2022-05-18: Sacramento, CA - CANCELLED!

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 4:52 am
by Birds in Hell
B wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:Does anyone really want to see a Pearl Jam show without Jeff?
If the alternative is no Pearl Jam at all, yes.
I’d rather have the refund.

Re: 2022-05-18: Sacramento, CA - CANCELLED!

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 10:00 am
by B
Birds in Hell wrote:
B wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:Does anyone really want to see a Pearl Jam show without Jeff?
If the alternative is no Pearl Jam at all, yes.
I’d rather have the refund.
You're an outlier.

Re: 2022-05-18: Sacramento, CA - CANCELLED!

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 11:09 am
by Birds in Hell
B wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
B wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:Does anyone really want to see a Pearl Jam show without Jeff?
If the alternative is no Pearl Jam at all, yes.
I’d rather have the refund.
You're an outlier.
I'm not sure that's true, at least among fans who know the band pretty well.

Re: 2022-05-18: Sacramento, CA - CANCELLED!

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 12:12 pm
by warehouse
Birds in Hell wrote:
B wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
B wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:Does anyone really want to see a Pearl Jam show without Jeff?
If the alternative is no Pearl Jam at all, yes.
I’d rather have the refund.
You're an outlier.
I'm not sure that's true, at least among fans who know the band pretty well.
:haha:

Re: 2022-05-18: Sacramento, CA - CANCELLED!

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 12:14 pm
by Farmer John
B probably doesn't even know all the band members' names.

Re: 2022-05-18: Sacramento, CA - CANCELLED!

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 4:55 pm
by B
Birds in Hell wrote:
B wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
B wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:Does anyone really want to see a Pearl Jam show without Jeff?
If the alternative is no Pearl Jam at all, yes.
I’d rather have the refund.
You're an outlier.
I'm not sure that's true, at least among fans who know the band pretty well.
What percentage of the arena audience could pronounce "Ament"?

Even I'd enjoy a show with a bass tech rather than having my THIRD god damned cancellation.

Re: 2022-05-18: Sacramento, CA - CANCELLED!

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 7:16 pm
by blueviper
B wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
B wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
B wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:Does anyone really want to see a Pearl Jam show without Jeff?
If the alternative is no Pearl Jam at all, yes.
I’d rather have the refund.
You're an outlier.
I'm not sure that's true, at least among fans who know the band pretty well.
What percentage of the arena audience could pronounce "Ament"?

Even I'd enjoy a show with a bass tech rather than having my THIRD god damned cancellation.
Third god damned cancellation.

First world problems.

Re: 2022-05-18: Sacramento, CA - CANCELLED!

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 8:23 pm
by B
Well, I didn't call the UN or anything. We're talking about Jeff vs. a guest bass player.

Re: 2022-05-18: Sacramento, CA - CANCELLED!

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 8:25 pm
by Jorge
Birds in Hell wrote:
B wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
B wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:Does anyone really want to see a Pearl Jam show without Jeff?
If the alternative is no Pearl Jam at all, yes.
I’d rather have the refund.
You're an outlier.
I'm not sure that's true, at least among fans who know the band pretty well.
I am sure that's true.

Re: 2022-05-18: Sacramento, CA - CANCELLED!

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 8:46 pm
by BurtReynolds
They are not cancelled, they are just being held accountable.

Re: 2022-05-18: Sacramento, CA - CANCELLED!

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 8:51 pm
by B
BurtReynolds wrote:They are not cancelled, they are just being held accountable.
Calm down, snowflake.

Re: 2022-05-18: Sacramento, CA - CANCELLED!

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 9:50 pm
by Birds in Hell
Jorge wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
B wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
B wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:Does anyone really want to see a Pearl Jam show without Jeff?
If the alternative is no Pearl Jam at all, yes.
I’d rather have the refund.
You're an outlier.
I'm not sure that's true, at least among fans who know the band pretty well.
I am sure that's true.
I'm really surprised by this.

Surely the valuable part of seeing Pearl Jam live is hearing the songs played by the members of Pearl Jam, not simply random dudes with Eddie Vedder up front.

(Then again, maybe this explains the appeal of Eddie's recent solo tours.)

Re: 2022-05-18: Sacramento, CA - CANCELLED!

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 9:56 pm
by B
Birds in Hell wrote:
Jorge wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
B wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
B wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:Does anyone really want to see a Pearl Jam show without Jeff?
If the alternative is no Pearl Jam at all, yes.
I’d rather have the refund.
You're an outlier.
I'm not sure that's true, at least among fans who know the band pretty well.
I am sure that's true.
I'm really surprised by this.

Surely the valuable part of seeing Pearl Jam live is hearing the songs played by the members of Pearl Jam, not simply random dudes with Eddie Vedder up front.

(Then again, maybe this explains the appeal of Eddie's recent solo tours.)
Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't buy tickets to Pearl Jam minus Jeff. But tickets in hand, show tonight, I came in from out of town ... I'd take the substitute if I had the choice.

Re: 2022-05-18: Sacramento, CA - CANCELLED!

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 10:34 pm
by numbers
Is it possible that it was Jeff himself that was against someone filling in for him?

Re: 2022-05-18: Sacramento, CA - CANCELLED!

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 10:55 pm
by Birds in Hell
I think it's also harder (likely impossible) to get a potential replacement bassist/guitarist up to speed with all the songs at such short notice.

Re: 2022-05-18: Sacramento, CA - CANCELLED!

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 10:56 pm
by Strat
Rumor was before hand that Matt was out for the sac and vegas shows anyway. To also be down the bass player it was a no brainer.

Re: 2022-05-18: Sacramento, CA - CANCELLED!

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 10:57 pm
by Hatfield
B wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
Jorge wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
B wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
B wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:Does anyone really want to see a Pearl Jam show without Jeff?
If the alternative is no Pearl Jam at all, yes.
I’d rather have the refund.
You're an outlier.
I'm not sure that's true, at least among fans who know the band pretty well.
I am sure that's true.
I'm really surprised by this.

Surely the valuable part of seeing Pearl Jam live is hearing the songs played by the members of Pearl Jam, not simply random dudes with Eddie Vedder up front.

(Then again, maybe this explains the appeal of Eddie's recent solo tours.)
Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't buy tickets to Pearl Jam minus Jeff. But tickets in hand, show tonight, I came in from out of town ... I'd take the substitute if I had the choice.
This is a no brainer. Find a fill in.

Re: 2022-05-18: Sacramento, CA - CANCELLED!

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 11:01 pm
by Strat
Id easily go to see pearl jam with any one of the members gone. In this scenario, i assume Ed will always be there otherwise they wouldnt go on.

It would be exciting to see someone fill it. its a novelty and would be wild to hear the interpretations and the spontaneity of such an event. Nothing wrong with going to a show and having a good time.

Ive seen pearl jam plenty, and ill see them more in the future. Watching a couple other drummers fill in was quite the experience and id gladly watch someone else fill in for jeff/mike/stone if it ever had to come to that.

hearing and watching Watt on porch with the earthlings was awesome

Re: 2022-05-18: Sacramento, CA - CANCELLED!

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 11:13 pm
by Jorge
Birds in Hell wrote:
Jorge wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
B wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
B wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:Does anyone really want to see a Pearl Jam show without Jeff?
If the alternative is no Pearl Jam at all, yes.
I’d rather have the refund.
You're an outlier.
I'm not sure that's true, at least among fans who know the band pretty well.
I am sure that's true.
I'm really surprised by this.

Surely the valuable part of seeing Pearl Jam live is hearing the songs played by the members of Pearl Jam, not simply random dudes with Eddie Vedder up front.

(Then again, maybe this explains the appeal of Eddie's recent solo tours.)
I think you are underestimating:
- How much the general fanbase values Ed over every other member
- How little the average fan particularly cares/notices subtleties in bass playing
- The disappointment that people with canceled shows are left with

I think when faced with the choice between a refunded show and a show with a replacement rhythm section, most fans would pick the latter

Re: 2022-05-18: Sacramento, CA - CANCELLED!

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 11:18 pm
by wease
numbers wrote:Is it possible that it was Jeff himself that was against someone filling in for him?
Very