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Re: Most anticipated movies from 2013

Posted: Fri January 11, 2013 10:43 pm
by Orpheus
I love his writing, and I think he's our greatest modern moralist. But yeah, seems like a jackass personality-wise.

Re: Most anticipated movies from 2013

Posted: Fri January 11, 2013 11:46 pm
by mastaflatch
Michel Gondry's take on Boris Vian "L'Écume des jours" (Froth on the Daydream). possibly the only director i could see succeeding at adapting this novel. can't wait to see this. oh, and Audrey Tautou is in it.

Re: Most anticipated movies from 2013

Posted: Sat January 12, 2013 12:30 am
by Harry Lime
Orpheus wrote:I love his writing, and I think he's our greatest modern moralist. But yeah, seems like a jackass personality-wise.

Whatever. I'll take DFW. And speaking of that (I love DFW's extensive analysis of Ellis at the bottom):

http://www.salon.com/2012/09/06/bret_ea ... r_wallace/

Bret Easton Ellis Hates David Foster Wallace

Satirist Bret Easton Ellis is really, really angry with deceased “Infinite Jest” writer David Foster Wallace, presumably for ever having existed. Ellis was reading D.T. Max’s biography of David Foster Wallace, “Every Story Is a Ghost Story,” earlier this morning, which inspired a long Twitter assault on the plagued writer and caring professor, who, according to Ellis, was “a fraud” and worse:

Reading D.T. Max’s bio of DFW and OMG is the solemnity of the David Foster Wallace myth on a purely literary level borderline sickening…

— Bret Easton Ellis (@BretEastonEllis) September 6, 2012



Anyone who finds David Foster Wallace a literary genius has got to be included in the Literary Doucebag-Fools Pantheon…

— Bret Easton Ellis (@BretEastonEllis) September 6, 2012



David Foster Wallace carried around a literary pretentiousness that made me embarrassed to have any kind of ties to the publishing scene…

— Bret Easton Ellis (@BretEastonEllis) September 6, 2012



Saint David Foster Wallace: a generation trying to read him feels smart about themselves which is part of the whole bullshit package. Fools.

— Bret Easton Ellis (@BretEastonEllis) September 6, 2012



Reading D.T. Max’s bio I continue to find David Foster Wallace the most tedious, overrated, tortured, pretentious writer of my generation…

— Bret Easton Ellis (@BretEastonEllis) September 6, 2012



David Foster Wallace was so needy, so conservative, so in need of fans–that I find the halo of sentimentality surrounding him embarrassing.

— Bret Easton Ellis (@BretEastonEllis) September 6, 2012



DFW is the best example of a contemporary male writer lusting for a kind of awful greatness that he simply wasn’t able to achieve. A fraud.

— Bret Easton Ellis (@BretEastonEllis) September 6, 2012



To be fair, Wallace got in his licks when he had the chance in this interview with Larry McCaffery:

LM: In your own case, how does this hostility manifest itself?

DFW: Oh, not always, but sometimes in the form of sentences that are syntactically not incorrect but still a real bitch to read. Or bludgeoning the reader with data. Or devoting a lot of energy to creating expectations and then taking pleasure in disappointing them. You can see this clearly in something like Ellis’s “American Psycho”: it panders shamelessly to the audience’s sadism for a while, but by the end it’s clear that the sadism’s real object is the reader herself.

LM: But at least in the case of “American Psycho” I felt there was something more than just this desire to inflict pain—or that Ellis was being cruel the way you said serious artists need to be willing to be.

DFW: You’re just displaying the sort of cynicism that lets readers be manipulated by bad writing. I think it’s a kind of black cynicism about today’s world that Ellis and certain others depend on for their readership. Look, if the contemporary condition is hopelessly shitty, insipid, materialistic, emotionally retarded, sadomasochistic, and stupid, then I (or any writer) can get away with slapping together stories with characters who are stupid, vapid, emotionally retarded, which is easy, because these sorts of characters require no development. With descriptions that are simply lists of brand-name consumer products. Where stupid people say insipid stuff to each other. If what’s always distinguished bad writing—flat characters, a narrative world that’s cliched and not recognizably human, etc.—is also a description of today’s world, then bad writing becomes an ingenious mimesis of a bad world. If readers simply believe the world is stupid and shallow and mean, then Ellis can write a mean shallow stupid novel that becomes a mordant deadpan commentary on the badness of everything. Look man, we’d probably most of us agree that these are dark times, and stupid ones, but do we need fiction that does nothing but dramatize how dark and stupid everything is? In dark times, the definition of good art would seem to be art that locates and applies CPR to those elements of what’s human and magical that still live and glow despite the times’ darkness. Really good fiction could have as dark a worldview as it wished, but it’d find a way both to depict this world and to illuminate the possibilities for being alive and human in it. You can defend “Psycho” as being a sort of performative digest of late-eighties social problems, but it’s no more than that.

Re: Most anticipated movies from 2013

Posted: Sat January 12, 2013 7:47 am
by Peeps
is there a movie coming out that gosling isnt in?

Re: Most anticipated movies from 2013

Posted: Sat January 12, 2013 8:48 am
by Harry Lime
Peeps wrote:is there a movie coming out that gosling isnt in?


Hopefully no.

Re: Most anticipated movies from 2013

Posted: Tue January 15, 2013 9:00 am
by Soma.
An Oldboy remake?

Fuck.

Re: Most anticipated movies from 2013

Posted: Tue January 15, 2013 1:46 pm
by VinylGuy
Soma. wrote:An Oldboy remake?

Fuck.
yeah...and the weirdest thing is that spike lee is directing the whole thing.

Re: Most anticipated movies from 2013

Posted: Tue January 15, 2013 3:11 pm
by lennytheweedwhacker

Re: Most anticipated movies from 2013

Posted: Thu January 17, 2013 1:22 am
by Orpheus
Harry Lime wrote:
Orpheus wrote:I love his writing, and I think he's our greatest modern moralist. But yeah, seems like a jackass personality-wise.

Whatever. I'll take DFW.
I'll just take both, since it's not a football game or anything. There are plenty of artists that are douchebags, but I still like their work. Easton-Ellis is one of them.

Re: Most anticipated movies from 2013

Posted: Thu January 17, 2013 1:24 pm
by Harry Lime
VinylGuy wrote:we need to put this one in this thread....im actually a big fan of Bret Easton Ellis, and Schrader is a great director, but this one doesnt have a chance.


It appears this is becoming a joke. It was rejected by Sundance, and Easton Ellis and Lohan are not happy with the end result that Schrader turned it into. Hilarious.

Karma after the months of attention the pre-production garnered over at Kickstarter, with hundreds of people donating money, unknowingly that they were helping finance a movie that starred porn actor James Deen. Who knows, though, maybe it'll become a cult hit in the vein of The Room.

Re: Most anticipated movies from 2013

Posted: Thu January 17, 2013 3:21 pm
by dimejinky99
Just been announced, Gremlins is getting a reboot. In 3D.

Stop raping my childhood yis cuntz.

Re: Most anticipated movies from 2013

Posted: Thu January 17, 2013 3:23 pm
by VinylGuy
dimejinky99 wrote:Just been announced, Gremlins is getting a reboot. In 3D.

Stop raping my childhood yis cuntz.
oh shit. I see some bad CGI and Zac Efron starring...fuck. Make a sequel fuckers.

Re: Most anticipated movies from 2013

Posted: Tue January 22, 2013 2:41 pm
by VinylGuy
anyone saw the trailer for Spring Breakers?? Seems like a mess coming, if that movie was directed by other guy i wouldnt even consider to watch it.

Re: Most anticipated movies from 2013

Posted: Tue January 22, 2013 3:28 pm
by broken iris
BurtReynolds wrote:Elysium

Promising, but probably overly preachy. I wonder how it will compare to the amazing, but somewhat forgotten 'Children of Men'...

Re: Most anticipated movies from 2013

Posted: Tue January 22, 2013 5:32 pm
by Harry Lime
broken iris wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:Elysium

Promising, but probably overly preachy. I wonder how it will compare to the amazing, but somewhat forgotten 'Children of Men'...

Yeah these unsubtle, preachy social & political movies that Matt Damon is increasingly involved with is a huge turn off for me.

Re: Most anticipated movies from 2013

Posted: Wed January 23, 2013 4:32 am
by BurtReynolds
Harry Lime wrote:
broken iris wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:Elysium

Promising, but probably overly preachy. I wonder how it will compare to the amazing, but somewhat forgotten 'Children of Men'...

Yeah these unsubtle, preachy social & political movies that Matt Damon is increasingly involved with is a huge turn off for me.
i havent seen anything on it, yet. is it preachy? I loved District 9, so I'll give this one the benefit of the doubt.

Re: Most anticipated movies from 2013

Posted: Wed January 23, 2013 12:21 pm
by broken iris
Harry Lime wrote:
broken iris wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:Elysium

Promising, but probably overly preachy. I wonder how it will compare to the amazing, but somewhat forgotten 'Children of Men'...

Yeah these unsubtle, preachy social & political movies that Matt Damon is increasingly involved with is a huge turn off for me.
I have high hopes for his next film, it's set in a dystopian future where space vampires kill off all the good teachers who work in inner city schools.

Re: Most anticipated movies from 2013

Posted: Thu January 24, 2013 4:22 pm
by Harry Lime
broken iris wrote:
Harry Lime wrote:
broken iris wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:Elysium

Promising, but probably overly preachy. I wonder how it will compare to the amazing, but somewhat forgotten 'Children of Men'...

Yeah these unsubtle, preachy social & political movies that Matt Damon is increasingly involved with is a huge turn off for me.
I have high hopes for his next film, it's set in a dystopian future where space vampires kill off all the good teachers who work in inner city schools.
Ha. Yeah.

Re: Most anticipated movies from 2013

Posted: Thu January 24, 2013 4:22 pm
by Harry Lime

Re: Most anticipated movies from 2013

Posted: Thu January 24, 2013 7:57 pm
by epilogue
VinylGuy wrote:anyone saw the trailer for Spring Breakers?? Seems like a mess coming, if that movie was directed by other guy i wouldnt even consider to watch it.
The director of the film will be the very thing keeping me from seeing the film.

I have not seen the trailer.