Red Mosquito

digster wrote:Overall, I guess it depends on what the intentions are. I know Lost Dogs is a collection of b-sides and odds n' ends, but I think it skews closer to trying to an album experience than something like The Beatles Anthology. In that respect, I view it like Tom Waits' "Orphans", and I'm pretty sure he worked relatively extensively on that to get it work as an album.

Maybe it comes down to expectations.

Kind of like what we were talking about in the Riot Act thread. Maybe I just expected it to be naked, and that was never the intention. Either way, it's a great listen. Just not what I was expecting/wanting at the time. Doesn't mean it isn't good.

durdencommatyler wrote:

digster wrote:Overall, I guess it depends on what the intentions are. I know Lost Dogs is a collection of b-sides and odds n' ends, but I think it skews closer to trying to an album experience than something like The Beatles Anthology. In that respect, I view it like Tom Waits' "Orphans", and I'm pretty sure he worked relatively extensively on that to get it work as an album.

Maybe it comes down to expectations.

Kind of like what we were talking about in the Riot Act thread. Maybe I just expected it to be naked, and that was never the intention. Either way, it's a great listen. Just not what I was expecting/wanting at the time. Doesn't mean it isn't good.

Yeah, I will admittedly be pretty disappointed if we never see something like Tracks by Springsteen, or at least some sort of collection of unreleased songs/demos from PJ. They're not necessarily marketable in the way Lost Dogs or Orphans might be, but they're really fascinated for hardcore fans. Often re-releases would be a great space for that, but we haven't really seen that with Ten, Vs. or Vitalogy.

digster wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

digster wrote:Overall, I guess it depends on what the intentions are. I know Lost Dogs is a collection of b-sides and odds n' ends, but I think it skews closer to trying to an album experience than something like The Beatles Anthology. In that respect, I view it like Tom Waits' "Orphans", and I'm pretty sure he worked relatively extensively on that to get it work as an album.

Maybe it comes down to expectations.

Kind of like what we were talking about in the Riot Act thread. Maybe I just expected it to be naked, and that was never the intention. Either way, it's a great listen. Just not what I was expecting/wanting at the time. Doesn't mean it isn't good.

Yeah, I will admittedly be pretty disappointed if we never see something like Tracks by Springsteen, or at least some sort of collection of unreleased songs/demos from PJ. They're not necessarily marketable in the way Lost Dogs or Orphans might be, but they're really fascinated for hardcore fans. Often re-releases would be a great space for that, but we haven't really seen that with Ten, Vs. or Vitalogy.

I'm really hoping that any kind of No Code/Yield reissue or box set would be rich in this kind of thing. There has to be stuff out there.

a few songs on orphans were redone as well.

durdencommatyler wrote:

digster wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

digster wrote:Overall, I guess it depends on what the intentions are. I know Lost Dogs is a collection of b-sides and odds n' ends, but I think it skews closer to trying to an album experience than something like The Beatles Anthology. In that respect, I view it like Tom Waits' "Orphans", and I'm pretty sure he worked relatively extensively on that to get it work as an album.

Maybe it comes down to expectations.

Kind of like what we were talking about in the Riot Act thread. Maybe I just expected it to be naked, and that was never the intention. Either way, it's a great listen. Just not what I was expecting/wanting at the time. Doesn't mean it isn't good.

Yeah, I will admittedly be pretty disappointed if we never see something like Tracks by Springsteen, or at least some sort of collection of unreleased songs/demos from PJ. They're not necessarily marketable in the way Lost Dogs or Orphans might be, but they're really fascinated for hardcore fans. Often re-releases would be a great space for that, but we haven't really seen that with Ten, Vs. or Vitalogy.

I'm really hoping that any kind of No Code/Yield reissue or box set would be rich in this kind of thing. There has to be stuff out there.

I will be so happy if there are a decent number of unreleased songs from jacks time in the band, by far my favorite period for them

Stip wrote:do you like the 'redone' binaural outtakes more than the originals?

Also, I think we were largely discussing whether or not this was a good idea on the songs we had never heard before, not the established b-sides.

My mistake, I didn't read far enough back in the thread.

I don't know that I remember the original Binaural outtakes. I remember having a CDR with "Education," "Fatal," and "Letter to the Dead" on it, but I don't remember being especially thrown by the Lost Dogs versions. How different are they?

a bit. Nothing quite as striking as alone or hold on, but there's only 4-5 years rather than 12 separating the recordings so the vocals aren't that much different.

Stip wrote:a bit. Nothing quite as striking as alone or hold on, but there's only 4-5 years rather than 12 separating the recordings so the vocals aren't that much different.

They didn't do any re-recording on the "Binaural" stuff. Just a new mix on some tracks.

well that would explain that then

I remember a time pre-"Lost Dogs" when fans were foaming at the mouth to hear an oft-rumored, never-seen outtake called "Sweet Lew."

I, uh, kind of like Sweet Lew.

Especially the early version on that leaked demo disc.

It's no Ole, but yeah, Sweet Lew's okay.

Birds in Hell wrote:I, uh, kind of like Sweet Lew.

Especially the early version on that leaked demo disc.

Me too, friend.

Birds in Hell wrote:I, uh, kind of like Sweet Lew.

Especially the early version on that leaked demo disc.

Im not sure if ive ever heard any version but the LD version, is it much different?

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:I, uh, kind of like Sweet Lew.

Especially the early version on that leaked demo disc.

Im not sure if ive ever heard any version but the LD version, is it much different?

It's just a different (earlier, I think) take than what's on Lost Dogs.

It's just bass, drums, Jeff's vocal and what sounds to me like a heavily-reverbed droning electric guitar. It's sparser than the Lost Dogs version, which has some more obvious guitar work.

Here (I've never made a YouTube video before, so this was fun):

I've never made one either. Maybe someday. Not today though. I'm not ready.

It was an experience, Joey.

I suspect that version might be a home demo with someone other than Matt on drums (presumably with Jeff playing everything else), Stuverand perhaps.

Birds in Hell wrote:It was an experience, Joey.

I suspect that version might be a home demo with someone other than Matt on drums (presumably with Jeff playing everything else), Stuverand perhaps.

Very cool, thanks much, i always like getting to hear the early versions

Its a really good compilation record, most of the stuff there is really good, i remember thinking how cool the b sides wewe and how some outtakes were better than the final tracklists.
Its been a while since i listened to this one, though.