Red Mosquito

tragabigzanda wrote:

tree_ wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

tree_ wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:Not that anyone cares, but she’s made some ground with me the last few days. Her campaign promises seem to run the gamut from practical/actionable to total pipe dream, but at least there are a lot of ideas…

My biggest hurdle has been her position on Palestine, and her words on the topic tonight weren’t the vigorous support of Palestinians I’d hope for, nor a total break from the war machine, but it also wasn’t insignificant as far as political platitudes go.

What's your solution? Allow Hamas to regroup and commit another atrocity? She has intelligent advisors telling her Hamas must be completely destroyed. They're the ones using civilians as human shields. Never negotiate with terrorists.

I admit I don’t have a solution, but I’d say that not bombing hospitals and allowing food and medicine to pass through to hostages would be at the top of my wish list

They're bombing them where they are. They are the ones hiding in hospitals, again, using people as human shields. It is Hamas' strategy to harm Israel's reputation, not to win the war, and it seems to be working.

This is definitely the case sometime, but not all the time.

War is messy but sometimes necessary

everybody says that

Our children die. Avoid please.

tree_ wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

tree_ wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

tree_ wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:Not that anyone cares, but she’s made some ground with me the last few days. Her campaign promises seem to run the gamut from practical/actionable to total pipe dream, but at least there are a lot of ideas…

My biggest hurdle has been her position on Palestine, and her words on the topic tonight weren’t the vigorous support of Palestinians I’d hope for, nor a total break from the war machine, but it also wasn’t insignificant as far as political platitudes go.

What's your solution? Allow Hamas to regroup and commit another atrocity? She has intelligent advisors telling her Hamas must be completely destroyed. They're the ones using civilians as human shields. Never negotiate with terrorists.

I admit I don’t have a solution, but I’d say that not bombing hospitals and allowing food and medicine to pass through to hostages would be at the top of my wish list

They're bombing them where they are. They are the ones hiding in hospitals, again, using people as human shields. It is Hamas' strategy to harm Israel's reputation, not to win the war, and it seems to be working.

This is definitely the case sometime, but not all the time.

War is messy but sometimes necessary

War was plan A, B, C, D, & E for Israel.

i was kinda grossed out with the democrat party, kinda ignoring they are a big part of why Trump got so big in the last years. Its like they dont quite get it yet even if they do realized Biden needed to be gone.

https://samharris.org/episode/SE1EF9503F5

This John Spencer guy knows all about it. Give it a listen.

Tree, you will never be able to convince people whose world view demands they see justice as a prerequisite to peace as they have already rationalized the path of violence.

Bi_3 wrote:Tree, you will never be able to convince people whose world view demands they see justice as a prerequisite to peace as they have already rationalized the path of violence.

I keep reading that over and over and I don't understand what it means. Convince who of what?

Bi_3 wrote:Tree, you will never be able to convince people whose world view demands they see justice as a prerequisite to peace as they have already rationalized the path of violence.

yeah because as americas long glorious history shows, bombing the fuck out of the natives, (or as in this case, arming and enabling someone else to do it) works every time and is the best and only way to achieve 'peace' and never causes and ensures further violence at all.

dimejinky99 wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:Tree, you will never be able to convince people whose world view demands they see justice as a prerequisite to peace as they have already rationalized the path of violence.

yeah because as americas long glorious history shows, bombing the fuck out of the natives, (or as in this case, arming and enabling someone else to do it) works every time and is the best and only way to achieve 'peace' and never causes and ensures further violence at all.

Wait a second, are Hamas an evil terrorist group who initiated this war or aren't they?

tree_ wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:Tree, you will never be able to convince people whose world view demands they see justice as a prerequisite to peace as they have already rationalized the path of violence.

I keep reading that over and over and I don't understand what it means. Convince who of what?

It’s an overly vague statement that I don’t think makes sense, either, unless he believes justice/injustice are irrelevant to a peace process. I don’t understand how anyone can see it as anything other than an ongoing, 100 year or so conflict that has just progressively gotten worse. And it will continue to get worse until the world steps in to establish the Palestinian state they were promised 100 years ago, or Israel completes the annexation and there is no place left for them. You don’t need complicated arguments to explain what is happening right in front of us, and has been for a very long time. “How a terror organization came to be in power” is the central question. Societies don’t choose to live this way and elect insurgents as the government without having suffered for some time. The world watched this society decay, and America would not treat another country like it treats Israel if they created an apartheid system like they did over there.

tree_ wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:Tree, you will never be able to convince people whose world view demands they see justice as a prerequisite to peace as they have already rationalized the path of violence.

yeah because as americas long glorious history shows, bombing the fuck out of the natives, (or as in this case, arming and enabling someone else to do it) works every time and is the best and only way to achieve 'peace' and never causes and ensures further violence at all.

Wait a second, are Hamas an evil terrorist group who initiated this war or aren't they?

You’ve answered your question about my post right here. And anyone who thinks Kamala will not be exactly as aligned with Israel as everyone else currently in power is delusional

tragabigzanda wrote:And yes — I am aware that she has run a campaign designed for me to project whatever interpretations I want on to her. It’s a smart bit of marketing that, in an odd way, speaks to by centrist bent.

That’s what politics is though right? It’s perfectly ok to vote the lesser of two evils… just don’t pretend it’s not an evil that will have serious impacts on everyone after the election

Bi_3 wrote:

tree_ wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:Tree, you will never be able to convince people whose world view demands they see justice as a prerequisite to peace as they have already rationalized the path of violence.

yeah because as americas long glorious history shows, bombing the fuck out of the natives, (or as in this case, arming and enabling someone else to do it) works every time and is the best and only way to achieve 'peace' and never causes and ensures further violence at all.

Wait a second, are Hamas an evil terrorist group who initiated this war or aren't they?

You’ve answered your question about my post right here. And anyone who thinks Kamala will not be exactly as aligned with Israel as everyone else currently in power is delusional

It still seems like you left some words out. But I would say not just for the sake of justice, but to prevent further atrocities for the sake of humanity, is definitely the correct world view. If you like humans.

tragabigzanda wrote:Killing innocent people to avoid future atrocities is certainly a take. Take solace, future humans!

Don't you think the Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were necessary?