Red Mosquito

I do know what you mean, I'm just playing. At worst I think it's a jarring and not entirely necessary part of the song; it's just 'there'. I just enjoy the delivery of 'cus it's been fuuuuucked.' And I'm angry enough at my government to buy the over-sincerity.

The sincerity and sentiment doesn't bother me. It just doesn't sound good

I would argue that 'it doesn't sound good' for the reasons outlined; it's over-sincere and cliched. The call-and-response form is totally in line with the protest nature of the lyrics, but if you don't buy it, it'll sound cringe-worthy (we're allowed that word outside of a PJ context, right?). It's a case of the medium being the message here, I think.

no. Cringe worthy is a shitty fucking phrase and should be hated everywhere.

I like the call and response format elsewhere. But that format really needs to be the centerpiece of whatever it is a part of, or it sounds either insincere or needy at worst, misplaced at best.

harmless wrote:I do know what you mean, I'm just playing. At worst I think it's a jarring and not entirely necessary part of the song; it's just 'there'. I just enjoy the delivery of 'cus it's been fuuuuucked.' And I'm angry enough at my government to buy the over-sincerity.

actually the part you seem to like the most is the bridge, which I have no problem with

stip wrote:LEARN SUBTLE SHADES OF MEANING

I'm just trying to help you communicate gooder

i could always use help with my clarityness

stip wrote:The sincerity and sentiment doesn't bother me. It just doesn't sound good

BUT you don't like the chorus either. Which is just beyond my understanding. And since you don't like the chorus, I have to dismiss your opinion of the call/response section of the song.

My issue is that Chud doesn't like it. I can't wrap my feeble brain around that. BUT his most recent explanation of the live versions does make help it make a little more sense. Because those things are hard to pull off, especially in the typically intimate settings The Mynabirds play.

So Pete gets a pass. You, however, still make my brain hurt. Respectfully.

stip wrote:no. Cringe worthy is a shitty fucking phrase and should be hated everywhere.

I like the call and response format elsewhere. But that format really needs to be the centerpiece of whatever it is a part of, or it sounds either insincere or needy at worst, misplaced at best.

durdencommatyler wrote:

stip wrote:The sincerity and sentiment doesn't bother me. It just doesn't sound good

BUT you don't like the chorus either. Which is just beyond my understanding. And since you don't like the chorus, I have to dismiss your opinion of the call/response section of the song.

My issue is that Chud doesn't like it. I can't wrap my feeble brain around that. BUT his most recent explanation of the live versions does make help it make a little more sense. Because those things are hard to pull off, especially in the typically intimate settings The Mynabirds play.

So Pete gets a pass. You, however, still make my brain hurt. Respectfully.

I am only talking about the chorus. The bridge is fine

stip wrote:no. Cringe worthy is a shitty fucking phrase and should be hated everywhere.

I like the call and response format elsewhere. But that format really needs to be the centerpiece of whatever it is a part of, or it sounds either insincere or needy at worst, misplaced at best.

I would rather read "It's cringe-worthy" than simply "It just doesn't sound good", which is your go-to criticism.

stip wrote:

harmless wrote:I do know what you mean, I'm just playing. At worst I think it's a jarring and not entirely necessary part of the song; it's just 'there'. I just enjoy the delivery of 'cus it's been fuuuuucked.' And I'm angry enough at my government to buy the over-sincerity.

actually the part you seem to like the most is the bridge, which I have no problem with

But that's the bit CHUD doesn't like! I am so confused. So it's the chorus ("Calling all my generals...") you don't like? That's even more baffling to me.

This must be the most PJ Mynabirds thread of all time.

Guys, I'm just glad we're talking about The Mynabirds.

I love the chorus to Generals. The first time I heard it I got chills and felt a tremendous empowerment. There may have been some eye mist as well. There is a great strength in those lines.

durdencommatyler wrote:I love the chorus to Generals. The first time I heard it I got chills and felt a tremendous empowerment. There may have been some eye mist as well. There is a great strength in those lines.

Durden gets it.

harmless wrote:

stip wrote:no. Cringe worthy is a shitty fucking phrase and should be hated everywhere.

I like the call and response format elsewhere. But that format really needs to be the centerpiece of whatever it is a part of, or it sounds either insincere or needy at worst, misplaced at best.

I would rather read "It's cringe-worthy" than simply "It just doesn't sound good", which is your go-to criticism.

yes, clearly my biggest flaw is that I don't take the time to describe precisely what I don't like about the things I don't like

I decided today I really prefer the first album to the second, which surprises me

2014 should be the year of the third album. That is unless she lied to me.